With the latest push of drop chances for the top notch items, chances to be on top of the stick players have never been better.
People got GS & DH very often lately, especially the low lvlers, so if you ever wanted to get the last desired item, it is about damn time.
So question is: Where are you guys?
We can't even reach more than 10 players (except when SG spawned)
Hope to see more of you, because you all are browsing these forums regularly
Cya online,
Cherrypie
(btw: Currently at mountain for RB hunt)
Quote from: CherryPie on February 09, 2011, 02:14:02 PM
With the latest push of drop chances for the top notch items, chances to be on top of the stick players have never been better.
People got GS & DH very often lately, especially the low lvlers, so if you ever wanted to get the last desired item, it is about damn time.
So question is: Where are you guys?
We can't even reach more than 10 players (except when SG spawned)
Hope to see more of you, because you all are browsing these forums regularly
Cya online,
Cherrypie
(btw: Currently at mountain for RB hunt)
Sorry with my family, family in-law, wife, and work I don't know how anyone has as much free time as they do because I have like zero time to play.
Meh. All I know is that 3 weeks ago I was level 45, am now level 83 and still haven't got a GS. Obtained 5 katanas, around 8 wooden hammers, many pirate hats, many frog hats. But that GS continues to elude me. This pure luck based drop system does not ROCK!
I believe it's pretty hypocritical of you to throw the blame around at "you guys", when I haven't seen you once in the past two weeks. Not that that matters, there's no blame to go around in the first place, this is a game, not a job to keep Link2007 entertained.
As fun as Stick Online is, it isn't what it used to be. Without a clan system, nor the old unique PvP system which in itself served as a kind of forced clan system, we're left with an empty shell of what Stick Online was. Meiun explained this himself, stating that he never meant for Stick Online to be reduced to "comparing player A to player B in a generic and trivial fighting environment." All that's left in this shell is a repetitive grindfest for the best items, items that are a requirement if you wish to participate in Stick Online's current only endgame content: being the best PvPer. Although official tournaments always encouraged 1v1 fights, this was not meant to be the only goal for its players.
For a lot of people, this grindfest is torture, and this is where complaints about a luck based drop system arise. In order to prevail in PvP, you must spend hours upon hours grinding the same monsters with the same animations, watching low level players around you get lucky as you grow more and more frustrated. In this now 1v1 based game, a luck based drop system just isn't the right approach. We have a drop system that supports a large player count and clans, and a pvp system that supports neither. I petitioned to bring back the old pvp system (http://www.stick-online.com/boards/index.php?topic=541.0) a long time ago, and I still would prefer it to our current system, but I'm not sure what Meiun thought on the matter, or if anyone would still agree with me nowadays...
But don't get me wrong, I still think Stick Online is fantastic, and I encourage its activity. However, the game is flawed, and I don't think you should guilt trip people into playing an incomplete game. I will continue to play it, as I find it relaxing, but I can relate with anybody who is frankly bored or simply aggravated.
So yeah, there's my 2? on why SO is inactive.
Besides that, why should we play a game that has had no real visible progress for a few years? Sure, there might be a new version coming around sooner or later (almost certainly later...) but meanwhile small patches to the original game are simply not going to keep people like myself playing for long.
Quote from: Lucifer on February 11, 2011, 01:00:20 AM
I believe it's pretty hypocritical of you to throw the blame around at "you guys", when I haven't seen you once in the past two weeks. Not that that matters, there's no blame to go around in the first place, this is a game, not a job to keep Link2007 entertained.
I do have more than 2 accounts, I've been online almost everyday the past 2 weeks, that's the reason why I came to the conclusion in the threads starting post.
Also I do not want people to come online to "entertain" me. I do want them to realize that drop chances have never been better so even if there is no new content, there is a reason to check on once in a while.
Quote from: Lucifer on February 11, 2011, 01:00:20 AM
As fun as Stick Online is, it isn't what it used to be. Without a clan system, nor the old unique PvP system which in itself served as a kind of forced clan system, we're left with an empty shell of what Stick Online was. Meiun explained this himself, stating that he never meant for Stick Online to be reduced to "comparing player A to player B in a generic and trivial fighting environment." All that's left in this shell is a repetitive grindfest for the best items, items that are a requirement if you wish to participate in Stick Online's current only endgame content: being the best PvPer. Although official tournaments always encouraged 1v1 fights, this was not meant to be the only goal for its players.
Like I did state before, chance to obtain these items have never been better. And even pvping versus other "average equipped" pvpers can be funny.
Quote from: Lucifer on February 11, 2011, 01:00:20 AM
For a lot of people, this grindfest is torture, and this is where complaints about a luck based drop system arise. In order to prevail in PvP, you must spend hours upon hours grinding the same monsters with the same animations, watching low level players around you get lucky as you grow more and more frustrated. In this now 1v1 based game, a luck based drop system just isn't the right approach. We have a drop system that supports a large player count and clans, and a pvp system that supports neither. I petitioned to bring back the old pvp system (http://www.stick-online.com/boards/index.php?topic=541.0) a long time ago, and I still would prefer it to our current system, but I'm not sure what Meiun thought on the matter, or if anyone would still agree with me nowadays...
Well your first point is true, but that training of boredom thing is also created due to a low amount of players sitting next you, being afk 1/2 of the time. I remember days where we had 15+ people sitting on temple and at least 10 of them were active and talkative.
Of course the access has been closed for non-donators but when I scroll down these forums, It shows me a hell lot of forum users being active here but not in the game. :/
As for the pvp-system, yeah most would probably agree that the old one was more fun. But without mods being on 24/7 you can't avoid players from doing bullshit when bosses appear. :/
Quote from: Lucifer on February 11, 2011, 01:00:20 AM
But don't get me wrong, I still think Stick Online is fantastic, and I encourage its activity. However, the game is flawed, and I don't think you should guilt trip people into playing an incomplete game. I will continue to play it, as I find it relaxing, but I can relate with anybody who is frankly bored or simply aggravated.
See you ingame :)
I'm currently dedicating all of my free time to sitting in front of my computer, pining away for Scotty's Minecraft server to come back up. Sorry mate.
Quote from: Trogdor on February 11, 2011, 04:32:02 PM
I'm currently dedicating all of my free time to sitting in front of my computer, pining away for Scotty's Minecraft server to come back up. Sorry mate.
And to get on ART's server as well, hopefully. :I
But yeah, I'm fairly active in SO, not as much as I was before, but still.
Quote from: Lucifer on February 11, 2011, 01:00:20 AM
I believe it's pretty hypocritical of you to throw the blame around at "you guys", when I haven't seen you once in the past two weeks. Not that that matters, there's no blame to go around in the first place, this is a game, not a job to keep Link2007 entertained.
As fun as Stick Online is, it isn't what it used to be. Without a clan system, nor the old unique PvP system which in itself served as a kind of forced clan system, we're left with an empty shell of what Stick Online was. Meiun explained this himself, stating that he never meant for Stick Online to be reduced to "comparing player A to player B in a generic and trivial fighting environment." All that's left in this shell is a repetitive grindfest for the best items, items that are a requirement if you wish to participate in Stick Online's current only endgame content: being the best PvPer. Although official tournaments always encouraged 1v1 fights, this was not meant to be the only goal for its players.
For a lot of people, this grindfest is torture, and this is where complaints about a luck based drop system arise. In order to prevail in PvP, you must spend hours upon hours grinding the same monsters with the same animations, watching low level players around you get lucky as you grow more and more frustrated. In this now 1v1 based game, a luck based drop system just isn't the right approach. We have a drop system that supports a large player count and clans, and a pvp system that supports neither. I petitioned to bring back the old pvp system a long time ago, and I still would prefer it to our current system, but I'm not sure what Meiun thought on the matter, or if anyone would still agree with me nowadays...
But don't get me wrong, I still think Stick Online is fantastic, and I encourage its activity. However, the game is flawed, and I don't think you should guilt trip people into playing an incomplete game. I will continue to play it, as I find it relaxing, but I can relate with anybody who is frankly bored or simply aggravated.
So yeah, there's my 2? on why SO is inactive.
Lucifer summed it up perfectly right there.
EDIT: Felt like I had to clarify something.
Quote from: CherryPie
With the latest push of drop chances for the top notch items, chances to be on top of the stick players have never been better.
People got GS & DH very often lately, especially the low lvlers, so if you ever wanted to get the last desired item, it is about damn time.
This luck based drop system, even with improved drop rates(and I'm very thankful for that), still is a VERY tedious grindfest to get items. That will not change, and seeing lucky low levels get items aplenty can wear people down even more, myself included. Speaking as the only level 100 in SO sans GS, I can say that it is in no way easy to get items, even with the upped drop rates.
I for one don't want to play because i hate grinding i have killed litturally 60 ds that i have recorded/screenied every kill as proof. I've killed more but wern't on vid. I usually only play now for the SO league which apparently isn't really active anymore -.- because ppl upset that they lost deluxe raffle i think. :(
60 DS pffft. ive killed over 300 in my whole SO career and guess what? 1 dragoon helmet good luck man.
I like to test my patience. I'm level 50 somewhere, but I'm already bored of the game. All I hear is *thack* *thack* *thack* *thack* and random attacks. It needs more interest. Plus everything special they're hosting is for high levels, and I never win. So yeah, if you want me on, then either SOv3 has to be released or I need self-esteem. (I'm not those people who grief for self-benefit, I'm actually some 14 year old that gives everything to everyone.) Everyone that made level 100 will most likely succeed more than me though...
EDIT: Okay, maybe I'm not testing patience, because I figured out I have low patience. What I'm actually testing is dedication. Patience and dedication are different.
i have school, homework after school, baseball practice everyday, chores, family, and alot of other things...
sorry guys for not playing.
maybe they got bored of the lack of major updates and decided to wait it out until SO3?
Quote from: darkflash on February 12, 2011, 04:19:47 PM
60 DS pffft. ive killed over 300 in my whole SO career and guess what? 1 dragoon helmet good luck man.
No i have videoed me killing 60 ds i've killed over 1000 altogether sonny.
its an IS the 2nd best wep in the game dont expect it from 60 DS
Quote from: darkflash on February 14, 2011, 10:44:26 PM
its an IS the 2nd best wep in the game dont expect it from 60 DS
whats the first best? hmmmm?
lsb.. now that i think of it is slasher better than IS or?
Quote from: darkflash on February 15, 2011, 12:06:47 AM
lsb.. now that i think of it is slasher better than IS or?
That really depends on the stats of the player using it. You can't expect a player with 1 agi to be able to use the slasher effectively, but he certainly will be able to use the IS well with proper use of the terrain.
Quote from: darkflash on February 15, 2011, 12:06:47 AM
lsb.. now that i think of it is slasher better than IS or?
It goes like this:
LSB > IS = SLASHER = SPIRE > GS
depending on your stats the 3 in the middle can vary and make spire for example a better decision than IS.
However LSB will always dominate the 3 and GS will always be weaker than the 3.
Quote from: CherryPie on February 15, 2011, 05:01:18 AM
Quote from: darkflash on February 15, 2011, 12:06:47 AM
lsb.. now that i think of it is slasher better than IS or?
It goes like this:
LSB > IS = SLASHER = SPIRE > GS
depending on your stats the 3 in the middle can vary and make spire for example a better decision than IS.
However LSB will always dominate the 3 and GS will always be weaker than the 3.
I wouldn't say that LSB, IS, slasher or spire dagger is any better than each other. Slasher can beat LSB, but can't beat spire dagger.
Although If I really had to choose, I'd say spire dagger is the best weapon in the game (only with the right stats and great skill). Lucifer has already proved this in the last tournament.
But the best pvpers will always be the ones that use multiple weapons. That really !@#$s people up.
ya cause then they'll haft to keep changing there battle tactics that would be confusing for them ;D
Quote from: Celson on February 15, 2011, 06:56:12 AM
Slasher can beat LSB, but can't beat spire dagger.
But the best pvpers will always be the ones that use multiple weapons. That really !@#$s people up.
I disagree with the whole slasher can't beat spire..
I also disagree with the whole best pvpers will "always be the ones that use multiple weapons."
I've beaten spire with slasher, and I rarely use more than 1 weapon during a fight.
I had killed around 15 SG and managed to obtain the Legendary Sand Blade. It can happen guys, remember, it's all luck. ;)
Quote from: igufed on February 15, 2011, 10:49:11 AM
Quote from: Celson on February 15, 2011, 06:56:12 AM
Slasher can beat LSB, but can't beat spire dagger.
But the best pvpers will always be the ones that use multiple weapons. That really !@#$s people up.
I disagree with the whole slasher can't beat spire..
I also disagree with the whole best pvpers will "always be the ones that use multiple weapons."
I've beaten spire with slasher, and I rarely use more than 1 weapon during a fight.
You can't beat Igumal. He changes weapons all the time. And it all really depends on who is using what. But more often than not, spire will beat slasher.
Quote from: Celson on February 15, 2011, 07:44:29 PM
Quote from: igufed on February 15, 2011, 10:49:11 AM
Quote from: Celson on February 15, 2011, 06:56:12 AM
Slasher can beat LSB, but can't beat spire dagger.
But the best pvpers will always be the ones that use multiple weapons. That really !@#$s people up.
I disagree with the whole slasher can't beat spire..
I also disagree with the whole best pvpers will "always be the ones that use multiple weapons."
I've beaten spire with slasher, and I rarely use more than 1 weapon during a fight.
You can't beat Igumal. He changes weapons all the time. And it all really depends on who is using what. But more often than not, spire will beat slasher.
Igumal's difficulty to beat doesn't stem from his weapon changing, although it does help. It's his essentially perfected tanking build, essentially perfected tanking style, skill, and ridiculously good inventory. Tanking is the most dominant strategy in SO, although I hate to admit it.
Quote from: Celson on February 15, 2011, 07:44:29 PM
You can't beat Igumal. He changes weapons all the time. And it all really depends on who is using what. But more often than not, spire will beat slasher.
I've beaten Igumal. It all depends on the person and how they pvp.
I'd put spire and slasher pretty close to the same in value. I can't say which is better. It depends on who I'm fighting and what they have for me to choose what to fight with. 98% of the time I stick with 1 weapon during a fight.
LSB is definitly a lot better than slasher. Slasher is meant to be 2:1 hit ratio vs IS and 0,5:1 vs Spire.
But with LSB you can counter it and any weapon, due to it's knockback.
If you learn to use it effectively, your enemy can't put in 2 Slasher hits before you hit him next time with LSB. You can almost hit for hit everyone with it, maybe 1:1,5 - 1:2 vs Spire, but still 1 LSB hit > 2 Spire hits, so LSB is definitly the best weapon ingame.
Even Meiun said, that it is meant to be the top-notch item of all that are available.
Quote from: CherryPie on February 17, 2011, 03:56:18 AM
LSB is definitly a lot better than slasher. Slasher is meant to be 2:1 hit ratio vs IS and 0,5:1 vs Spire.
But with LSB you can counter it and any weapon, due to it's knockback.
If you learn to use it effectively, your enemy can't put in 2 Slasher hits before you hit him next time with LSB. You can almost hit for hit everyone with it, maybe 1:1,5 - 1:2 vs Spire, but still 1 LSB hit > 2 Spire hits, so LSB is definitly the best weapon ingame.
Even Meiun said, that it is meant to be the top-notch item of all that are available.
Then how come DC kicked foG's ass in the tourny using slasher against his gs + LSB?
because he has low agi and low Int which don't work well with LSB
Quote from: scsox on February 17, 2011, 09:57:49 AM
because he has low agi and low Int which don't work well with LSB
Exactly. All depends on the stats and skill of the user. So saying LSB is better than slasher is false.
Quote from: Celson on February 17, 2011, 08:54:26 PM
Quote from: scsox on February 17, 2011, 09:57:49 AM
because he has low agi and low Int which don't work well with LSB
Exactly. All depends on the stats and skill of the user. So saying LSB is better than slasher is false.
if foG had 40+ str he could throw away his gs, believe me. In general it is okay to say LSB > Slasher. Of course in some cases it turns around because LSB just doesn't fit foGs build that well.