So, with E3 going on this week, Nintendo has held their E3 2011 Press Conference, and revealed their new console, the WiiU. All in all, I'd say it's pretty damn impressive, if not slightly silly looking. Anyone want to place bets on how long it takes for Sony and Microsoft to rip it off?
Press Conference
Part 1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDP-HzT_eGw
Part 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhMS0TnhLZ8
Part 3:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMpQ88cBfHY
Nintendo won. Wii U renders PS3 games in 1080p and has an amazing new intuitive controller.
Every 3rd party publisher has incredibly high expectations on this, ps4 won't come before 2014 and a new x-box probably neither - To be clear: Wii U is getting all the new games like BF3 new CoDs and Assassins Creeds in 1080p, where xbox and ps3 won't even produce proper 720p action without lacking graphical features to pc versions.
And that's not all! The utopian (nice word, reggie ;)) nintendo first party franchises like Mario, Zelda & Co will be there too, of course!
Call me overhyped, but seriously.. Nintendo is back on track!
MS is screwing their HC fans all over with stupid Kinect casual games and Sony does nothing new at all in the home console market, Nintendo really won this years e3 easily.
I've been looking for Nintendo's Press Conference on Youtube.
Anyways, I love the console; hate the name
Quote from: Chaos on June 08, 2011, 04:13:17 AM
So, with E3 going on this week, Nintendo has held their E3 2011 Press Conference, and revealed their new console, the WiiU. All in all, I'd say it's pretty damn impressive, if not slightly silly looking. Anyone want to place bets on how long it takes for Sony and Microsoft to rip it off?
Press Conference
Part 1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDP-HzT_eGw
Part 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhMS0TnhLZ8
Part 3:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMpQ88cBfHY
Sony and Microsoft have their work cut out for them, that's all I can say. Good job Nintendo, I might even consider buying this.... amazing :P Funny because I was just about to buy a Wii, now I'll just wait for the better, upgraded version of it :D
The only thing that concerns me is the weight of the controller, having a screen on it. I'd be afraid of dropping this thing, lol. Hope they make it really durable...
They may have won the E3, but lets see how good this thing turns out to be, and what Sony and Microsoft do to respond. Honestly I can't wait for however long they will take, so I will proably end up buying a WiiU.
Quote from: stick d00d on June 08, 2011, 09:53:22 AM
Quote from: Chaos on June 08, 2011, 04:13:17 AM
So, with E3 going on this week, Nintendo has held their E3 2011 Press Conference, and revealed their new console, the WiiU. All in all, I'd say it's pretty damn impressive, if not slightly silly looking. Anyone want to place bets on how long it takes for Sony and Microsoft to rip it off?
Press Conference
Part 1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDP-HzT_eGw
Part 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhMS0TnhLZ8
Part 3:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMpQ88cBfHY
Sony and Microsoft have their work cut out for them, that's all I can say. Good job Nintendo, I might even consider buying this.... amazing :P Funny because I was just about to buy a Wii, now I'll just wait for the better, upgraded version of it :D
The only thing that concerns me is the weight of the controller, having a screen on it. I'd be afraid of dropping this thing, lol. Hope they make it really durable...
They may have won the E3, but lets see how good this thing turns out to be, and what Sony and Microsoft do to respond. Honestly I can't wait for however long they will take, so I will proably end up buying a WiiU.
Have you even seen the things Nintendo makes? Its all durable. I threw my N64 out a 2nd story window, plugged it back in and continued to play. My NES still runs to this day. The Gamecube controllers are indestructible. I'm sure they will do good.
Quote from: T-Rok
Have you even seen the things Nintendo makes? Its all durable. I threw my N64 out a 2nd story window, plugged it back in and continued to play. My NES still runs to this day. The Gamecube controllers are indestructible. I'm sure they will do good.
I'm more referring to the screen, like if you dropped this thing a good deal (particularly on a hard-wood floor in my case). But you're right, I had a Nintendo GameBoy, DS, etc. and all of them still work... even after dropping them on asphalt/concrete numerous times, even if they did get scratched up some.
Quote from: T-Rok on June 08, 2011, 12:23:23 PM
Quote from: stick d00d on June 08, 2011, 09:53:22 AM
Quote from: Chaos on June 08, 2011, 04:13:17 AM
So, with E3 going on this week, Nintendo has held their E3 2011 Press Conference, and revealed their new console, the WiiU. All in all, I'd say it's pretty damn impressive, if not slightly silly looking. Anyone want to place bets on how long it takes for Sony and Microsoft to rip it off?
Press Conference
Part 1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDP-HzT_eGw
Part 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhMS0TnhLZ8
Part 3:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMpQ88cBfHY
Sony and Microsoft have their work cut out for them, that's all I can say. Good job Nintendo, I might even consider buying this.... amazing :P Funny because I was just about to buy a Wii, now I'll just wait for the better, upgraded version of it :D
The only thing that concerns me is the weight of the controller, having a screen on it. I'd be afraid of dropping this thing, lol. Hope they make it really durable...
They may have won the E3, but lets see how good this thing turns out to be, and what Sony and Microsoft do to respond. Honestly I can't wait for however long they will take, so I will proably end up buying a WiiU.
Have you even seen the things Nintendo makes? Its all durable. I threw my N64 out a 2nd story window, plugged it back in and continued to play. My NES still runs to this day. The Gamecube controllers are indestructible. I'm sure they will do good.
This bad boy is always the best proof of durable Nintendo items
(http://www.geekologie.com/2008/03/05/bombed-gameboy.jpg)
I DON'T CARE ABOUT THIS. I WANT DREAMCAST 2. *trollface*
To be honest, I think the Wii U controller looks rather lame. How is a screen on a controller and a screen on the TV supposed to work out? It will be difficult to glance at both screens at the same time, unlike the DS. You'll have to constantly glance down and back up.
However I can see that it may work well with games like Tag or something.
Quote from: 11clock on June 08, 2011, 02:29:15 PM
To be honest, I think the Wii U controller looks rather lame. How is a screen on a controller and a screen on the TV supposed to work out? It will be difficult to glance at both screens at the same time, unlike the DS. You'll have to constantly glance down and back up.
You could simply just position the controller in front of you to where you are looking at it and the controller screen at the same time. :-X
Anyways, I'm quite excited, Nintendo's FINALLY going to get as many(if not more) third-party games with this console. Can't wait to see how the controlled will enhance gameplay, too.
Quote
This bad boy is always the best proof of durable Nintendo items
(http://www.geekologie.com/2008/03/05/bombed-gameboy.jpg)
Looks like my mom's cooking.
@ Clock, at least its not purple ;p
Decent lineup of games. Luigi's Mansion 2 looks great! I am gonna have to get a 3DS when that, and Paper Mario come out. Don't care to much for Kid Icarus or Starfox too much.
And the wii u looks good. Its a little silly looking; but so was the wii, when it first came out.
(also amazed)
im really undecided about the new wii u. im really worried about price and i feel disappointed with the wii. i feel like in the last few years Nintendo has been more of a joke then anything, in my opinion. even the 3ds, which i bought for $202 used :), feels alittle gimmicky with the 3d which doesnt really add that much to the experience and is nothing more then a battery drain. if they can set a good price and provide good games for it i may think about it. otherwise i think i might look at the psp vita instead.
The concept of it seemed pretty neat at first, but now that I think about it more, it seems like a Wii controller with an added screen to the middle, and instead of the swinging around you have to touch the screen... meh. I'll definitely try this thing out at a store before I buy it, because it is iffy looking in price, as venuse said.
I think it looks absolutely amazing, I think the name might be a bit off but it's started growing on me already.
Good Job Nintendo, You win.
Quote from: venuse on June 08, 2011, 10:12:45 PM
im really undecided about the new wii u. im really worried about price and i feel disappointed with the wii. i feel like in the last few years Nintendo has been more of a joke then anything, in my opinion. even the 3ds, which i bought for $202 used :), feels alittle gimmicky with the 3d which doesnt really add that much to the experience and is nothing more then a battery drain. if they can set a good price and provide good games for it i may think about it. otherwise i think i might look at the psp vita instead.
talking about battery life..
Some interviewed Sony guy said, they are working really hard to get battery life on par with the first psp, which doesn't sound very promising. I think I will never buy a portable gaming device again before they found a solution to that problem.
Quote from: CherryPie on June 08, 2011, 06:35:00 AM
Nintendo won. Wii U renders PS3 games in 1080p and has an amazing new intuitive controller.
Every 3rd party publisher has incredibly high expectations on this, ps4 won't come before 2014 and a new x-box probably neither - To be clear: Wii U is getting all the new games like BF3 new CoDs and Assassins Creeds in 1080p, where xbox and ps3 won't even produce proper 720p action without lacking graphical features to pc versions.
The PS3 came out in 2006. The Wii U
better be able to render PS3 games in 1080p. The fact that you're even comparing the Wii U to systems that date back to 2005 and 2006 like they're on equal terrain is silly. What I'm interested in is how the Wii looks compared to it's new competition. I have no doubt that we'll be seeing more of the new xbox console soon, and the PS3 following it.
Quote from: Jake on June 10, 2011, 12:25:47 AM
Quote from: CherryPie on June 08, 2011, 06:35:00 AM
Nintendo won. Wii U renders PS3 games in 1080p and has an amazing new intuitive controller.
Every 3rd party publisher has incredibly high expectations on this, ps4 won't come before 2014 and a new x-box probably neither - To be clear: Wii U is getting all the new games like BF3 new CoDs and Assassins Creeds in 1080p, where xbox and ps3 won't even produce proper 720p action without lacking graphical features to pc versions.
The PS3 came out in 2006. The Wii U better be able to render PS3 games in 1080p. The fact that you're even comparing the Wii U to systems that date back to 2005 and 2006 like they're on equal terrain is silly. What I'm interested in is how the Wii looks compared to it's new competition. I have no doubt that we'll be seeing more of the new xbox console soon, and the PS3 following it.
I wonder what they will come up with to one up their current systems. Nintendo releasing their console first gives the other companies time to compare with the competition and try at something even better, although this system should have came out instead of the first Wii.(even though they didn't do bad at all sales wise of course)
Quote from: Jake on June 10, 2011, 12:25:47 AM
Quote from: CherryPie on June 08, 2011, 06:35:00 AM
Nintendo won. Wii U renders PS3 games in 1080p and has an amazing new intuitive controller.
Every 3rd party publisher has incredibly high expectations on this, ps4 won't come before 2014 and a new x-box probably neither - To be clear: Wii U is getting all the new games like BF3 new CoDs and Assassins Creeds in 1080p, where xbox and ps3 won't even produce proper 720p action without lacking graphical features to pc versions.
The PS3 came out in 2006. The Wii U better be able to render PS3 games in 1080p. The fact that you're even comparing the Wii U to systems that date back to 2005 and 2006 like they're on equal terrain is silly. What I'm interested in is how the Wii looks compared to it's new competition. I have no doubt that we'll be seeing more of the new xbox console soon, and the PS3 following it.
The next XBox get's announced (probably at e3 next year) we'll discover that the graphics will be on par or only slightly better than the Wii U, seeing as the Wii U now supports 1080p, I don't think they are going to be able to get much better, than what the Wii U has, in Consoles anytime. It will then literally come down to how good the graphics are in each individual game rather than the console's graphics as a whole.
Hardware wise the PS4 and next XBox will probably still be better, however, I think Nintendo will have far more popularity, and considering it now can support those 'hardcore' games, developers will be leaning more towards focusing on the Wii U.
My last prediction is that Sony (possible Microsoft too but I doubt it) will try to pull a Nintendo and add some cool new feature (Motion control, screen on controller, controller that can make you a sandwich, etc..) but will end up blowing it and will once again die a horrible death.
They already have and it did blow up in there face... Least they have it in aus i'll link you up.
http://zapp5.staticworld.net/news/graphics/203652-ps3-sports-champions_original.jpg
As you can see it still uses the eye toy etc but now has a little glow stick ahaha. Won't
see me playing games with that but hey... I love Ps3's other games;)
Quote from: Matty_Richo on June 10, 2011, 09:02:23 PM
The next XBox get's announced (probably at e3 next year) we'll discover that the graphics will be on par or only slightly better than the Wii U, seeing as the Wii U now supports 1080p, I don't think they are going to be able to get much better, than what the Wii U has, in Consoles anytime. It will then literally come down to how good the graphics are in each individual game rather than the console's graphics as a whole.
Hardware wise the PS4 and next XBox will probably still be better, however, I think Nintendo will have far more popularity, and considering it now can support those 'hardcore' games, developers will be leaning more towards focusing on the Wii U.
My last prediction is that Sony (possible Microsoft too but I doubt it) will try to pull a Nintendo and add some cool new feature (Motion control, screen on controller, controller that can make you a sandwich, etc..) but will end up blowing it and will once again die a horrible death.
I see all consoles on pretty much equal footing at this point, except Wii U has something to prove. They need to show the world that they actually are a hardcore console now, and that's not going to be easy after their lackluster run with the Wii. The new xbox will have better graphics than the Wii U. Not to the extent of the 360 and the Wii, but it will be noticeable.
Yeah, as a Nintendo fan I'm kind of worried about what the other companies are gonna come up with since now they already know what they're up against.
Also, isn't there a song where the intro goes "whee-oo... whee-oo" over and over? I think of that tune whenever I hear this name.
Quote from: Jake on June 12, 2011, 04:47:11 PM
I see all consoles on pretty much equal footing at this point, except Wii U has something to prove. They need to show the world that they actually are a hardcore console now, and that's not going to be easy after their lackluster run with the Wii. The new xbox will have better graphics than the Wii U. Not to the extent of the 360 and the Wii, but it will be noticeable.
The Wii appeals to both the 'casual' and 'hardcore' gaming audience. One of the things that has brought it it down massively is is an incapability of HD, and subsequently, a lack of 3rd-party support. There are several 'serious' games for it if you know which ones to get.
EDIT: The 'casual' gamers were a main focus; I acknowledge that. But it doesn't contain solely those types of games.
My main thoughts on the ability of this is the overall possibilities this can open up if it is possible for individuals to create homebrew for it, which they most likely will. It wouldn't surprise me if Nintendo slips up and allows another possibility for one of their consoles to be breached in a manner to allow it. If it is possible, it would pretty much allow emulators of all other previous systems to be run on it. It might not be 30 fps or higher for some of the more recent ones, but it would still be possible and playable. It would be pretty cool to be able to relax and play some videos on the Wii U controller too without having to turn on a television. The screen's size on the controller would make it a nice view, could probably prop it up too for convenience. This also would be talking if it is possible for homebrew apps to be put on it.
Quote from: Jake on June 12, 2011, 04:47:11 PM
Quote from: Matty_Richo on June 10, 2011, 09:02:23 PM
The next XBox get's announced (probably at e3 next year) we'll discover that the graphics will be on par or only slightly better than the Wii U, seeing as the Wii U now supports 1080p, I don't think they are going to be able to get much better, than what the Wii U has, in Consoles anytime. It will then literally come down to how good the graphics are in each individual game rather than the console's graphics as a whole.
Hardware wise the PS4 and next XBox will probably still be better, however, I think Nintendo will have far more popularity, and considering it now can support those 'hardcore' games, developers will be leaning more towards focusing on the Wii U.
My last prediction is that Sony (possible Microsoft too but I doubt it) will try to pull a Nintendo and add some cool new feature (Motion control, screen on controller, controller that can make you a sandwich, etc..) but will end up blowing it and will once again die a horrible death.
I see all consoles on pretty much equal footing at this point, except Wii U has something to prove. They need to show the world that they actually are a hardcore console now, and that's not going to be easy after their lackluster run with the Wii. The new xbox will have better graphics than the Wii U. Not to the extent of the 360 and the Wii, but it will be noticeable.
Agreed.
As far as graphics go, I do agree with you ton an extent, however with the Wii, the most beautiful games on Wii (Mario Galaxy, Sonic Colours, Mario Kart etc...) Couldn't compare with your average, run of the mill, Xbox game. I think with the new consoles, while the new Xbox will have better graphics, depending on individual developers and how they utilize the hardware, some Wii U games (especially first party ones) will be comparable to the new Xbox, evidently though the top games on the new Xbox will be even better.
Also, yes, the Wii U does have to prove that the Wii U is a hardcore console, but they are off to a good start, knowing that games, like Assassin's Creed, Mass Effect 3, and Battlefield 3, are all coming to the console is already showing that they are moving into a hard core place, and especially the fact that on the release of those particular games, other than PC, the Wii U will have the best graphics for those games which gives hardcore gamers an incentive to pick up the console in the first few months.
And lastly, http://www.cad-comic.com/cad/20110608
I do hope people realize that video "games" should be about the "game"play, not the graphics. I would choose (Im being serious) an 8-bit game that was the most fun game in the world with 100% replay value and takes about a month to beat over a beautiful 4320p, 5D, HD game that had like 5 minutes worth of gameplay and no replay value whatsoever (especially since that'd probably end up as a shooter as most games are nowadays)
Quote from: Zario777 on June 12, 2011, 11:42:42 PM
I do hope people realize that video "games" should be about the "game"play, not the graphics. I would choose (Im being serious) an 8-bit game that was the most fun game in the world with 100% replay value and takes about a month to beat over a beautiful 4320p, 5D, HD game that had like 5 minutes worth of gameplay and no replay value whatsoever (especially since that'd probably end up as a shooter as most games are nowadays)
Definitely, that is completely true. However, graphics can add to the game, make it more immersive, a nicer experience etc... If I was playing oblivion and all the people looked like a bunch of pixels it would take away from the game.
Sow whilst I agree that Game Play is the most important thing in a game, things like graphics and music and voice acting all add to the game, if You take a wonderful game like Fallout 3 and take out those things, whilst the game may dtill be fun, it wouldn't be
as fun.
Quote from: Zario777 on June 12, 2011, 11:42:42 PM
I do hope people realize that video "games" should be about the "game"play, not the graphics. I would choose (Im being serious) an 8-bit game that was the most fun game in the world with 100% replay value and takes about a month to beat over a beautiful 4320p, 5D, HD game that had like 5 minutes worth of gameplay and no replay value whatsoever (especially since that'd probably end up as a shooter as most games are nowadays)
Believe it or not, sometimes graphics
are an important factor in a game. I absolutely hate it when people undermine the importance of graphics in a game, simply because gameplay is king. Yes, gameplay is the most important factor, but when it comes to 3D games, I like to be immersed in the world. Graphics are one of the most influential factors when it comes to the believability of a game world. Games like Fallout 3, Oblivion, battlefield 3, Cod, are all more fun when the graphics are better because the worlds feel more real, creating a higher sense of immersion for me. Do I care if Pac-Man or Super Mario have blocky graphics? of course not, because they're not trying to accomplish the same thing. It's not exactly easy to live my dream of being a dragon slaying ninja if the enemies are big blocks, is it?
Quote from: Jake on June 13, 2011, 04:27:40 AM
Quote from: Zario777 on June 12, 2011, 11:42:42 PM
I do hope people realize that video "games" should be about the "game"play, not the graphics. I would choose (Im being serious) an 8-bit game that was the most fun game in the world with 100% replay value and takes about a month to beat over a beautiful 4320p, 5D, HD game that had like 5 minutes worth of gameplay and no replay value whatsoever (especially since that'd probably end up as a shooter as most games are nowadays)
Believe it or not, sometimes graphics are an important factor in a game. I absolutely hate it when people undermine the importance of graphics in a game, simply because gameplay is king. Yes, gameplay is the most important factor, but when it comes to 3D games, I like to be immersed in the world. Graphics are one of the most influential factors when it comes to the believability of a game world. Games like Fallout 3, Oblivion, battlefield 3, Cod, are all more fun when the graphics are better because the worlds feel more real, creating a higher sense of immersion for me. Do I care if Pac-Man or Super Mario have blocky graphics? of course not, because they're not trying to accomplish the same thing. It's not exactly easy to live my dream of being a dragon slaying ninja if the enemies are big blocks, is it?
He's not a ninja, but this is close enough.
http://www.kongregate.com/games/GregoryWeir/how-to-raise-a-dragon
Quote from: Jake on June 13, 2011, 04:27:40 AM
Quote from: Zario777 on June 12, 2011, 11:42:42 PM
I do hope people realize that video "games" should be about the "game"play, not the graphics. I would choose (Im being serious) an 8-bit game that was the most fun game in the world with 100% replay value and takes about a month to beat over a beautiful 4320p, 5D, HD game that had like 5 minutes worth of gameplay and no replay value whatsoever (especially since that'd probably end up as a shooter as most games are nowadays)
Believe it or not, sometimes graphics are an important factor in a game. I absolutely hate it when people undermine the importance of graphics in a game, simply because gameplay is king. Yes, gameplay is the most important factor, but when it comes to 3D games, I like to be immersed in the world. Graphics are one of the most influential factors when it comes to the believability of a game world. Games like Fallout 3, Oblivion, battlefield 3, Cod, are all more fun when the graphics are better because the worlds feel more real, creating a higher sense of immersion for me. Do I care if Pac-Man or Super Mario have blocky graphics? of course not, because they're not trying to accomplish the same thing. It's not exactly easy to live my dream of being a dragon slaying ninja if the enemies are big blocks, is it?
That's actually something I think Nintendo laughs at, and somehow makes it look cool. Look at the Wii, the thing has sub-par graphics to any console that's out right now, yet it dominated the console market (and may still). Nintendo was never a company devoted to "hardcore" gaming, which I believe is what made them succeed, as a majority of their sales are to families who want to jump around the room making idiots of themselves at parties and play with their children.
BTW, if I recall, M$ and Sony (please God no) are planning to release new consoles in 2014. Quite a long ways away.
Quote from: Scotty on June 13, 2011, 10:42:51 AM
That's actually something I think Nintendo laughs at, and somehow makes it look cool. Look at the Wii, the thing has sub-par graphics to any console that's out right now, yet it dominated the console market (and may still). Nintendo was never a company devoted to "hardcore" gaming, which I believe is what made them succeed, as a majority of their sales are to families who want to jump around the room making idiots of themselves at parties and play with their children.
I totally agree with this. The Wii surpassed everyones expectations in sales, because it appealed to families that wanted to have a simple, shallow, fun, experience. The problem is, the Wii doesn't have the staying power that the other consoles have. The amount of people still playing their Wii's is small compared to the 360 and PS3, and that number continues to grow apart. This has resulted in increasingly poorer sales for the system as people lose interest.
QuoteBTW, if I recall, M$ and Sony (please God no) are planning to release new consoles in 2014. Quite a long ways away.
Even if that was true, it's not true anymore. The Wii U came out, and it's a threat. There's no way they're waiting until 2014 to compete with it, especially if it starts taking away market from the 360 and PS3.
Quote from: Jake on June 13, 2011, 03:09:21 PM
I totally agree with this. The Wii surpassed everyones expectations in sales, because it appealed to families that wanted to have a simple, shallow, fun, experience. The problem is, the Wii doesn't have the staying power that the other consoles have. The amount of people still playing their Wii's is small compared to the 360 and PS3, and that number continues to grow apart. This has resulted in increasingly poorer sales for the system as people lose interest.
To Nintendo though, that's perfectly fine when you think about it from a marketing standpoint. I checked Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_game_consoles#Video_game_and_handheld_consoles) and they are dominating in units shipped (by a landslide, some ~30 million). Nintendo doesn't really need to care if people are playing their consoles, as they already have their money. I haven't touched my wii outside of Netflix in months, which seems to be a common trend amongst others I've spoken with, doesn't take away from the fact that my Wii is another notch on their belt.
Quote from: Jake on June 13, 2011, 03:09:21 PM
Even if that was true, it's not true anymore. The Wii U came out, and it's a threat. There's no way they're waiting until 2014 to compete with it, especially if it starts taking away market from the 360 and PS3.
Have you heard differently? I know that Sony is planning another (likely failed) handheld, but no updates towards a new console, at least nothing at E3 that I'm aware of. To say "it's not true anymore" is more of an assumption than it is a fact... Unless I'm mistaken in that they aren't releasing any news towards a new console.
Quote from: Scotty on June 13, 2011, 03:26:26 PM
Have you heard differently? I know that Sony is planning another (likely failed) handheld, but no updates towards a new console, at least nothing at E3 that I'm aware of. To say "it's not true anymore" is more of an assumption than it is a fact... Unless I'm mistaken in that they aren't releasing any news towards a new console.
There's lots of news from inside sources being leaked about the new Xbox, but nothing official yet. Do you really think that Nintendo is the only one readying their next-gen guns? Microsoft hates being late to the punch, as demonstrated by the release of the 360, and the idea that they're going to wait till 2014 is absurd, especially with the huge spike in rumors regarding their new console. There's even been leaks from Ubisoft and other studios that they're working on next-gen games. If we don't see something at the next E3, it's because Microsoft wants to milk every last drop out of Kinect. The next year will be a period of observation, as they closely watch how the Wii U performs. If it does very well, why wouldn't Microsoft speed up the delivery of their new system? We've already seen in the past that Microsoft, Nintendo, and Sony are highly competitive, and make marketing decisions that are based on each others actions.
Anyway, that's just my two cents. I'm predicting an E3 2012 reveal, which is very dependent on the Wii U and the Kinects success. If Kinect sales slouch and Wii sales soar, expect to see something big next year. As for Sony, I wouldn't be surprised if they waited until 2014.
As for the Wii, their lifetimes sales are dominating because they spent the first 3 years of the Wii's release printing money. But over time, I've watched as the month to month sales of the 360 and PS3 started to close in on the Wii, and now they're surpassing it. Sony said from the start that they're marathon runners, and they called it perfectly. They're going to be selling PS3's for the next 10 years, while the Wii will be a distant memory.
Quote from: Jake on June 13, 2011, 04:50:07 PM
Quote from: Scotty on June 13, 2011, 03:26:26 PM
Have you heard differently? I know that Sony is planning another (likely failed) handheld, but no updates towards a new console, at least nothing at E3 that I'm aware of. To say "it's not true anymore" is more of an assumption than it is a fact... Unless I'm mistaken in that they aren't releasing any news towards a new console.
There's lots of news from inside sources being leaked about the new Xbox, but nothing official yet. Do you really think that Nintendo is the only one readying their next-gen guns? Microsoft hates being late to the punch, as demonstrated by the release of the 360, and the idea that they're going to wait till 2014 is absurd, especially with the huge spike in rumors regarding their new console. There's even been leaks from Ubisoft and other studios that they're working on next-gen games. If we don't see something at the next E3, it's because Microsoft wants to milk every last drop out of Kinect. The next year will be a period of observation, as they closely watch how the Wii U performs. If it does very well, why wouldn't Microsoft speed up the delivery of their new system? We've already seen in the past that Microsoft, Nintendo, and Sony are highly competitive, and make marketing decisions that are based on each others actions.
Anyway, that's just my two cents. I'm predicting an E3 2012 reveal, which is very dependent on the Wii U and the Kinects success. If Kinect sales slouch and Wii sales soar, expect to see something big next year. As for Sony, I wouldn't be surprised if they waited until 2014.
As for the Wii, their lifetimes sales are dominating because they spent the first 3 years of the Wii's release printing money. But over time, I've watched as the month to month sales of the 360 and PS3 started to close in on the Wii, and now they're surpassing it. Sony said from the start that they're marathon runners, and they called it perfectly. They're going to be selling PS3's for the next 10 years, while the Wii will be a distant memory.
Sony and Microsoft lose money on every console they sell. :]
Quote from: Jake on June 13, 2011, 04:50:07 PM
There's lots of news from inside sources being leaked about the new Xbox, but nothing official yet. Do you really think that Nintendo is the only one readying their next-gen guns? Microsoft hates being late to the punch, as demonstrated by the release of the 360, and the idea that they're going to wait till 2014 is absurd, especially with the huge spike in rumors regarding their new console.
... Again... Where are the articles? Where are these "leaks" from insiders? I've yet to see a single leak about their console. Sure, I'm hearing how they want to incorporate absurd amounts of technology that are gonna run the price tag up, but that's it. I never once implied that they haven't been researching the next big thing, in fact I recall hearing how they started planning the next-gen console upon the release of their last (i.e. the 360 or PS3). The only articles I can find about the next XBox that are remotely accurate are:
http://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-looking-at-releasing-next-xbox-in-2015-2011-3
http://www.geek.com/articles/games/next-xbox-console-arrives-2015-according-to-design-sketch-20110321/
http://www.techradar.com/news/gaming/consoles/xbox-720-every-rumour-about-the-next-xbox-937167
That's just from an initial Google search, each one says 2015 (or the third, which is saying anywhere from 2013 to 2015... sounds promising). I've yet to read one article that states otherwise.
And seriously? You're gonna say that "Microsoft hates being late to the punch"? You are talking about the company that up until Windows 7 was renowned for having the slowest turnaround for operating systems, thought they could make HD-DVD's the newest standard for disk media, and when rushed to meet the competition of "the next big thing", fail miserably (http://lesmond.net/2011/04/3-months-in-comparison-between-ios-android-and-windows-phone-sales/) (if not bricking their units entirely (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/fasterforward/2011/02/microsoft_yanks_windows_phone.html)).
I think Jake is right, Sony will show us a new console at E3 next year and try to get it out as soon as they can, which could end up with the next Xbox missing a few things so as it can get an earlier release.
The PS4, I dunno, Sony did once state that they wanted the PS3 to last a decade, but that would mean not producing another console until 2017, which I find highly unlikely, Sony will probably do something at E3 2013 and bring it out by the end of 2013.
The Wii U will sky rocket for the first year, and will most likely dominate the 8th gen of consoles.
My initial hype went down a bit, after hearing that the controller screen will be a resistive touchscreen. I mean come on, Nintendo, which year do we live in.. freakin 2002?
After using capacitive touch smartphones for the last 5 years, no one wants to apply pressure to a touch based screen anymore, right?
No Multitouch and a Stylus instead of your fingers?
That makes absolutely no sense.. why would someone pause a game to get the stylus out of its case.. the only way you can use the screen properly while using the other buttons and sticks is with your damn fingers..
(not even mentioning, that there won't be a chance for a glass plate to protect the screen like what iDevices or other current Smartphones have)
Well it is okay to make some compromises to get the price below the $400 mark, but seriously..the controller is, if I understood the e3 conferences main message, "the" point in buying the console and the screen will feel like the one of these chinese iPad clones..
source: http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/13/nintendo-3ds-has-resistive-touchscreen-for-backwards-compatibili/
Quote from: CherryPie on June 14, 2011, 03:26:04 AM
My initial hype went down a bit, after hearing that the controller screen will be a resistive touchscreen. I mean come on, Nintendo, which year do we live in.. freakin 2002?
After using capacitive touch smartphones for the last 5 years, no one wants to apply pressure to a touch based screen anymore, right?
No Multitouch and a Stylus instead of your fingers?
That makes absolutely no sense.. why would someone pause a game to get the stylus out of its case.. the only way you can use the screen properly while using the other buttons and sticks is with your damn fingers..
(not even mentioning, that there won't be a chance for a glass plate to protect the screen like what iDevices or other current Smartphones have)
Well it is okay to make some compromises to get the price below the $400 mark, but seriously..the controller is, if I understood the e3 conferences main message, "the" point in buying the console and the screen will feel like the one of these chinese iPad clones..
source: http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/13/nintendo-3ds-has-resistive-touchscreen-for-backwards-compatibili/
The key sentence in there is "however those same Joystiq sleuths also determined pretty conclusively that the Wii U's bodacious 6.2-inch controller also uses a resistive touchscreen". Keep in mind the link that they provided mentioned no detail of such a thing. I'm not saying it isn't a possibility, and I could see it happening, but it looks like they're making assumptions... Do you have a different article that is more conclusive? Not trying to be defiant, just curious to see whether or not news has been released saying that these "assumptions" are true.
Quote from: Scotty on June 13, 2011, 07:29:13 PM
Quote from: Jake on June 13, 2011, 04:50:07 PM
There's lots of news from inside sources being leaked about the new Xbox, but nothing official yet. Do you really think that Nintendo is the only one readying their next-gen guns? Microsoft hates being late to the punch, as demonstrated by the release of the 360, and the idea that they're going to wait till 2014 is absurd, especially with the huge spike in rumors regarding their new console.
... Again... Where are the articles? Where are these "leaks" from insiders? I've yet to see a single leak about their console. Sure, I'm hearing how they want to incorporate absurd amounts of technology that are gonna run the price tag up, but that's it. I never once implied that they haven't been researching the next big thing, in fact I recall hearing how they started planning the next-gen console upon the release of their last (i.e. the 360 or PS3).
Originally, my prediction that Microsoft would unveil the next Xbox at the 2012 E3 was just speculation, but it looks like there might be some merit to my statement. According to a "high-ranking industry source at Crytek", they're planning an E3 2012 reveal. http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/117/1176197p1.html (http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/117/1176197p1.html)
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And seriously? You're gonna say that "Microsoft hates being late to the punch"? You are talking about the company that up until Windows 7 was renowned for having the slowest turnaround for operating systems, thought they could make HD-DVD's the newest standard for disk media, and when rushed to meet the competition of "the next big thing", fail miserably (http://lesmond.net/2011/04/3-months-in-comparison-between-ios-android-and-windows-phone-sales/) (if not bricking their units entirely (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/fasterforward/2011/02/microsoft_yanks_windows_phone.html)).
Stating what happened with the Windows phone doesn't really help your case. It failed to launch properly, but they still tried hard to get it out there. Yes, they're spotty when it comes to making smart choices, but I think it's apparent that they're very aggressive when trying to make money. I just don't see them waiting till 2013 or later to release their next console.
Quote from: T-Rok on June 13, 2011, 07:13:15 PM
Sony and Microsoft lose money on every console they sell. :]
Hardware prices aren't a fixed rate.
Quote from: Scotty on June 14, 2011, 04:58:23 PM
Quote from: CherryPie on June 14, 2011, 03:26:04 AM
My initial hype went down a bit, after hearing that the controller screen will be a resistive touchscreen. I mean come on, Nintendo, which year do we live in.. freakin 2002?
After using capacitive touch smartphones for the last 5 years, no one wants to apply pressure to a touch based screen anymore, right?
No Multitouch and a Stylus instead of your fingers?
That makes absolutely no sense.. why would someone pause a game to get the stylus out of its case.. the only way you can use the screen properly while using the other buttons and sticks is with your damn fingers..
(not even mentioning, that there won't be a chance for a glass plate to protect the screen like what iDevices or other current Smartphones have)
Well it is okay to make some compromises to get the price below the $400 mark, but seriously..the controller is, if I understood the e3 conferences main message, "the" point in buying the console and the screen will feel like the one of these chinese iPad clones..
source: http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/13/nintendo-3ds-has-resistive-touchscreen-for-backwards-compatibili/
The key sentence in there is "however those same Joystiq sleuths also determined pretty conclusively that the Wii U's bodacious 6.2-inch controller also uses a resistive touchscreen". Keep in mind the link that they provided mentioned no detail of such a thing. I'm not saying it isn't a possibility, and I could see it happening, but it looks like they're making assumptions... Do you have a different article that is more conclusive? Not trying to be defiant, just curious to see whether or not news has been released saying that these "assumptions" are true.
"Hardware images released by Nintendo show a stylus being used on the touch screen, indicating resistive technology at work as capacitive screens require special styluses to function."
People who tested the controller at e3 said that the styluses are out of the same material as their 3ds equivalents, which means they would not work on capacitive screens - this is indicating that at least the e3 devices weren't equipped with capacitive screens.
Somehow I understand Nintendo.. they showed a video with drawing capabilities and we all know that drawing on a capacitive screen is a hell of a pain, but I still think that these drawing abilities will only appear in 5% (if no less) of the games with zero % being core titles..
Quote from: Jake on June 14, 2011, 07:21:25 PM
Quote from: T-Rok on June 13, 2011, 07:13:15 PM
Sony and Microsoft lose money on every console they sell. :]
Hardware prices aren't a fixed rate.
Doesn't change the fact they lose money on every sale. It's why the games are so expensive. Every time someone buys a 360 or a PS3, they lose money. This is why Microsoft refused to sell consoles to the US Army. Because they were buying them as cheap servers, and not game consoles, Microsoft would lose insane amounts of money. Its an old story, but it still stands.
http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2010/02/microsoft-refused-to-sell-xbox-360s-to-the-military-for-training/
Quote from: T-Rok on June 15, 2011, 01:10:39 PM
Quote from: Jake on June 14, 2011, 07:21:25 PM
Quote from: T-Rok on June 13, 2011, 07:13:15 PM
Sony and Microsoft lose money on every console they sell. :]
Hardware prices aren't a fixed rate.
Doesn't change the fact they lose money on every sale. It's why the games are so expensive. Every time someone buys a 360 or a PS3, they lose money. This is why Microsoft refused to sell consoles to the US Army. Because they were buying them as cheap servers, and not game consoles, Microsoft would lose insane amounts of money. Its an old story, but it still stands.
http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2010/02/microsoft-refused-to-sell-xbox-360s-to-the-military-for-training/
Obviously you didn't understand what I was saying. If hardware prices get cheaper over time, it is only logical that consoles will start to make a profit on each one sold. The article you posted doesn't even say that Microsoft is taking a loss on selling 360's. More than likely, they probably don't want to be known as an organization that trains soldiers to kill people. And yes, it does matter if it's an old story if hardware prices aren't a fixed rate.
Robbie Bach, who works for Microsoft, said that they'll finally break even on each xbox 360 sold in 2007. That was 4
years ago. Are you telling me that hardware prices for the 360 have stayed the same for the past 4 years? -http://kotaku.com/257614/bach-well-make-money-on-xbox-next-year (http://kotaku.com/257614/bach-well-make-money-on-xbox-next-year)
Quote from: Jake on June 15, 2011, 05:31:16 PM
Quote from: T-Rok on June 15, 2011, 01:10:39 PM
Quote from: Jake on June 14, 2011, 07:21:25 PM
Quote from: T-Rok on June 13, 2011, 07:13:15 PM
Sony and Microsoft lose money on every console they sell. :]
Hardware prices aren't a fixed rate.
Doesn't change the fact they lose money on every sale. It's why the games are so expensive. Every time someone buys a 360 or a PS3, they lose money. This is why Microsoft refused to sell consoles to the US Army. Because they were buying them as cheap servers, and not game consoles, Microsoft would lose insane amounts of money. Its an old story, but it still stands.
http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2010/02/microsoft-refused-to-sell-xbox-360s-to-the-military-for-training/
Obviously you didn't understand what I was saying. If hardware prices get cheaper over time, it is only logical that consoles will start to make a profit on each one sold. The article you posted doesn't even say that Microsoft is taking a loss on selling 360's. More than likely, they probably don't want to be known as an organization that trains soldiers to kill people. And yes, it does matter if it's an old story if hardware prices aren't a fixed rate.
Robbie Bach, who works for Microsoft, said that they'll finally break even on each xbox 360 sold in 2007. That was 4 years ago. Are you telling me that hardware prices for the 360 have stayed the same for the past 4 years? -http://kotaku.com/257614/bach-well-make-money-on-xbox-next-year (http://kotaku.com/257614/bach-well-make-money-on-xbox-next-year)
They haven't stayed the same, but the consumers also pay less. They are still losing money on every sale. Right now their gimmick to make them make money instead of lose it, is the Kinect.
Quote from: T-Rok on June 16, 2011, 02:07:25 AM
They haven't stayed the same, but the consumers also pay less. They are still losing money on every sale. Right now their gimmick to make them make money instead of lose it, is the Kinect.
I still have yet to see one shred of evidence to support your statement that they're losing money on each sale. That may have been true 3 or 4 years ago, but not anymore. The technology for the 360 is becoming cheaper and cheaper with every passing month, which is what allows them to lower the price.
I think we should get back on topic guys! ;)
what do you guys think on this:
http://kotaku.com/5812381/the-wii-us-online-strategy-is-a-rorschach-blot
Nintendo is finally starting a "real" competitor against XBL and the PSN. They also said that you could hotplug external HDDs, so there shouldn't be much of a problem.
Facebook integration and voice chat were kind of promised from iwata but still..do you think the same nintendo who was using an extremely outdated friendcode system for the wii could really catch up to XBL and PSN?
Quote from: CherryPie on June 16, 2011, 03:35:42 AM
I think we should get back on topic guys! ;)
what do you guys think on this:
http://kotaku.com/5812381/the-wii-us-online-strategy-is-a-rorschach-blot
Nintendo is finally starting a "real" competitor against XBL and the PSN. They also said that you could hotplug external HDDs, so there shouldn't be much of a problem.
Facebook integration and voice chat were kind of promised from iwata but still..do you think the same nintendo who was using an extremely outdated friendcode system for the wii could really catch up to XBL and PSN?
No plans for "achievements" system?
(http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/8317/1282982181359.jpg)
Quote from: Chaos on June 16, 2011, 03:51:10 AM
Quote from: CherryPie on June 16, 2011, 03:35:42 AM
I think we should get back on topic guys! ;)
what do you guys think on this:
http://kotaku.com/5812381/the-wii-us-online-strategy-is-a-rorschach-blot
Nintendo is finally starting a "real" competitor against XBL and the PSN. They also said that you could hotplug external HDDs, so there shouldn't be much of a problem.
Facebook integration and voice chat were kind of promised from iwata but still..do you think the same nintendo who was using an extremely outdated friendcode system for the wii could really catch up to XBL and PSN?
No plans for "achievements" system?
(http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/8317/1282982181359.jpg)
Yeah Archievements are a "nice to have". I really couldn't care less about what other features this new nintendo network has to offer as long as it will be filled with demos, downloadable content for games on disc and also full games to download for a cheaper price than in retail store. I don't really need cross platform voice chat and facebook api integration and other social stuff, but that is all nice to have anyway..