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Title: My garbage computer.
Post by: Freeforall on October 10, 2011, 09:17:04 PM
I have been recording a let's play series for a while now on Minecraft. I tried recording today, and after about 15 minutes into it, fraps crashed. I watched the video up to the point that it had crashed, and it's just blue lines all over the screen with my commentary. My stupid computer keeps opening random crap that I didn't tell it to. It's really frustrating me, I am tired of this crap. Why is this happening to my computer? It's not a virus, I had just formatted the harddrive about a week ago and scanned everything. I did update my drivers, so it's not that either. WHY?
Title: Re: My garbage computer.
Post by: Jake on October 10, 2011, 09:35:20 PM
Computers that open crap that you don't want them to usually have virus's. What "crap" is it actually opening?
Title: Re: My garbage computer.
Post by: Scotty on October 10, 2011, 09:52:17 PM
Everything you just described points to the tell-tale signs of a virus.  What are you using to scan?
Title: Re: My garbage computer.
Post by: Freeforall on October 10, 2011, 10:12:37 PM
It keeps opening up Task Manager and 'AMD Vision Engine Control Center'

And I am scanning with Avast.

Also, could it be my video card failing? I am getting massive lag in my games, and I can't really record anything without it crashing. It started this yesterday. I haven't done anything different since yesterday though, so I don't see what is causing it.
Title: Re: My garbage computer.
Post by: Mr Pwnage on October 10, 2011, 11:09:29 PM
Avast! has some great live shields and whatnot, alas I use it, but it definitely isn't the most thorough scan you could run on your computer which is supposedly already infected. I HIGHLY recommend Malwarebytes for a very thorough scanning of your computer. It's free and the best scanner I am yet to have seen. Try running a full system scan of all of your harddrives with Malwarebytes and tell us the results.

Here is a link: http://www.malwarebytes.org/
Title: Re: My garbage computer.
Post by: EpicPhailure on October 11, 2011, 12:01:24 AM
Also worth adding on to the recommendations for AV software:

If the site is blocked, and you're sure it's the official website, then it's probably a virus' doing.
Title: Re: My garbage computer.
Post by: Jake on October 11, 2011, 01:57:54 AM
You need malwarebytes, hitman, and spybot search and destroy.
Title: Re: My garbage computer.
Post by: Freeforall on October 11, 2011, 05:36:09 PM
The computer opening stuff isn't really my biggest concern, but when I try to record a game (minecraft) lines appear across the screen. Every time I try to record, it seems to get worse and worse. Here is a video of when it first started to do this. It has gotten MUCH worse since then.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHO57W3YWC0&feature=channel_video_title
Title: Re: My garbage computer.
Post by: Jake on October 11, 2011, 08:36:23 PM
Have you ran a hardware diagnostic? Strange lines like that could be the result of problems with your GPU, especially when you say it's starting to get worse. Download everest or speedfan and watch the temps on your hardware.
Title: Re: My garbage computer.
Post by: Freeforall on October 11, 2011, 09:14:03 PM
Well I downloaded speedfan.

This is while my computer is idle:
(http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p223/scotman_2006/Idle.png)

This is while playing Minecraft:
(http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p223/scotman_2006/Minecraft.png)
Title: Re: My garbage computer.
Post by: venuse on October 11, 2011, 09:46:14 PM
wow. either a-a few sensors are bad or b-your cpu and motherboard have something wrong. c the thermal paste that is inbetween the cpu and motherboard could of gone bad or something.

not sure if it is a store bought comp or a custom, but on alot of store bought the thermal paste isnt applied right and spills out onto the mother board and can cause problems later on. other then that not sure. hopes this helps.
Title: Re: My garbage computer.
Post by: Freeforall on October 11, 2011, 09:55:48 PM
Quote from: venuse on October 11, 2011, 09:46:14 PM
wow. either a-a few sensors are bad or b-your cpu and motherboard have something wrong. c the thermal paste that is inbetween the cpu and motherboard could of gone bad or something.

not sure if it is a store bought comp or a custom, but on alot of store bought the thermal paste isnt applied right and spills out onto the mother board and can cause problems later on. other then that not sure. hopes this helps.
This laptop was store bought about 2 years ago. Is it getting too hot? It used to get up to around 100 degrees, but I bought a cooling pad for it, and now it doesn't get past 96 degrees.
Title: Re: My garbage computer.
Post by: ARTgames on October 11, 2011, 10:33:21 PM
Now that you say its a laptop then that's a little different. some of this could be a virus. some of these could you not paying attention and pressing things on your touchpad or keyboard or both and having this open randomly. (happens more than you think)

Laptops have cooling problems since they are in a enclose space but need to get all that heat out without being too big. So sometimes they are not made well and dust gets into them and they heats them up. 96C is ALOT. Too much really. :/ Doing that over and over heating that hot and cooling when you turn it off can permanently harm your hardware over time and just keeping it that hot it not good. It can also slow down your computer because when they get that hot they start dropping there performance to keep form overheating. But this is a common thing I see in laptop that old. You need to get it dusted or looked at professionally or over times your system may become more unreliable. Things like random full system freezing, longer boot times, random screen glitches (though not always a hardware problem), unexpected full shutdown are signs of heat damage.

You could also try going to your laptop manufactures website and try and download latest video drivers. That could help.
Title: Re: My garbage computer.
Post by: sly 3 4 me on October 12, 2011, 12:18:48 AM
The laptop should not be getting that hot. Even on my other laptop while encoding videos it was only having upwards of 60C. That was while it was encoding for many hours. It would get pretty slow after a while and would decrease in the performance dramatically when it reached that temperature.. Best bet would be to try and either clean out the fans with some air, or open it up from the bottom(If you're lucky, it will have some screws) and use some air throughout the inside. . If you have any sort of Anti Static Gloves or Wristbands it always good to wear those to prevent electric shock and frying it. Laptops have chips rather than cards. Is this on the G61 or a different model? But yeah, best bet would be the components are getting a bit too hot.
Title: Re: My garbage computer.
Post by: ARTgames on October 12, 2011, 12:48:33 AM
Could almost boil water on that laptop. It must give out a smell of heated circuits boards near the vent there!
Title: Re: My garbage computer.
Post by: Scotty on October 12, 2011, 12:49:36 AM
Damn, Art beat me to it, another 4 degrees and you'd be boiling water!  :P
Title: Re: My garbage computer.
Post by: Freeforall on October 12, 2011, 08:42:32 AM
Quote from: sly 3 4 me on October 12, 2011, 12:18:48 AM
The laptop should not be getting that hot. Even on my other laptop while encoding videos it was only having upwards of 60C. That was while it was encoding for many hours. It would get pretty slow after a while and would decrease in the performance dramatically when it reached that temperature.. Best bet would be to try and either clean out the fans with some air, or open it up from the bottom(If you're lucky, it will have some screws) and use some air throughout the inside. . If you have any sort of Anti Static Gloves or Wristbands it always good to wear those to prevent electric shock and frying it. Laptops have chips rather than cards. Is this on the G61 or a different model? But yeah, best bet would be the components are getting a bit too hot.
Yep, this is on the G61.
And I didn't know it was getting too hot. I thought that was normal for a laptop :o I have it in a very cold room and a fan under it, so I thought I was doing pretty well lol. I guess not :c
Title: Re: My garbage computer.
Post by: venuse on October 12, 2011, 08:10:37 PM
just alittle info on part temps, a general rule of thumb for mother boards and cpus is that you dont usually want them above 50c although they can go above that and still be good but not 80c. if i remember 60c, although different manufactures have different max temps, is usually when you should turn off the comp because then the heat starts getting to the point of damaging the parts.  50c should only be gotten too at max or near max cpu usage. the gpu on the other hand, since it is built for high heat thresholds, can be safe at 60c and some times highers. the hard drive shouldnt not get about above 40c. the reason for this is that as the temp in the hard drive increases the heat causes the metals and some materials to expand. this is bad for the parts that are only a millimeter apart or less and will cause dmg over time.

again ive never used or worked on laptops but since they are basically the same type of parts the principles should be about the same.

bad sensors can throw off readings alot. infact the sensor that picks up my powersupply has always been faulty and reads at 79 and 80c all the time but i can put my hand on the powersupply and it is cool to the touch.
Title: Re: My garbage computer.
Post by: Freeforall on October 13, 2011, 05:53:55 PM
Hmm.. I think it's about time for a new computer.

I got another Blue Screen today at startup, shortly after installing a windows update. Not sure what's going on. :/
Title: Re: My garbage computer.
Post by: Freeforall on October 13, 2011, 09:36:17 PM
Sorry for double post, but I got a new computer.

Original price of laptop: $1,800
Bought for: $699

Video of Gameplay:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-i9HIQUr_qM
Title: Re: My garbage computer.
Post by: ARTgames on October 13, 2011, 10:15:36 PM
specs? I mean a $1,800 computer means nothing, just look at apple. :P

But your video did look good btw!
Title: Re: My garbage computer.
Post by: Freeforall on October 13, 2011, 10:18:20 PM
Graphics: Nvidia Geforce 310M
RAM: 4GB
Quad Core 2.67GHz i5 Processor
My next laptop will have a Nvidia Geforce 580M :)!
Title: Re: My garbage computer.
Post by: ARTgames on October 13, 2011, 10:19:15 PM
looking good! Nice laptop there.
Title: Re: My garbage computer.
Post by: Scotty on October 13, 2011, 10:54:31 PM
Unless if there's something extravagant about it that wasn't mentioned, that sounds like a $700 laptop, not a "$1,800 but we've got a deal for you" laptop.   Maybe $1,800 back 2-3 years ago when it was first released.  Either way, it's definitely a step up from the previous laptop.  Glad to see it suits your needs.

As a bit of preventative maintenance, I hope you bought some canned air when you got the lappy.  If not, definitely pick up a case of them next time you go to the store.  Every six months, shut off the computer (don't want the fans running when you do this, you'll burn them out quick) and blast some air through every open vent on the laptop.  Unscrew some of the plates if there aren't warranty stickers on them when you go to blast it out, and keep it clean on the inside.  A little preventative maintenance on it will go a long ways.
Title: Re: My garbage computer.
Post by: sly 3 4 me on October 13, 2011, 11:05:40 PM
What are you doing with all these computers you don't use any more, lol.
Title: Re: My garbage computer.
Post by: Freeforall on October 14, 2011, 08:27:42 AM
@scotty, I will do that, thanks :)

@sly, I use most of them lol. I fixed an old one up for my friend who didn't have a computer and gave it do him.

Thanks all for the help and stuff :D And is the Geforce 310M a decent card?
Title: Re: My garbage computer.
Post by: venuse on October 14, 2011, 06:09:26 PM
sorry to say that graphics card according to my searchs isnt very good for modern games. it is called an entry level card and will run modern warfare 2 at low settings and res. i really suggest looking into this stuff next time instead of doing the impulse buy. although atleast it runs unlike your other :P

source
http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-310M.22439.0.html
Title: Re: My garbage computer.
Post by: Scotty on October 14, 2011, 06:21:31 PM
Quote from: venuse on October 14, 2011, 06:09:26 PM
i really suggest looking into this stuff next time instead of doing the impulse buy.

I always try to exercise a two trip patience if I ever buy from a local store.  One to get there, see what they have, see if there's a reasonable amount left in stock (so I won't be shorted on my second trip), jot down the brands or take photos on my phone of the Best Buy tag with the model/brand/specs/price and go home.  From there I do my digging, weigh 'em all out, figure out what's garbage, what isn't, then go back well educated and make my purchase.

That's just my approach, your mileage may vary.
Title: Re: My garbage computer.
Post by: venuse on October 14, 2011, 06:35:24 PM
well with desktops parts i may compare, search and wait for weeks or months before i buy. then again im the type of person that doesnt get something unless im 95% sure i want it and fits the parameters i want, both in quality and price.