About 3 days ago, I started feeling some pains in my butthole.. I didn't think it was much. The next day It started hurting, then the day after that I went to school and it was getting serious. I had my mom check out my butthole (she's a nurse.) and she had her doubts but it was true, I had hemorrhoids. I'm only 14 years old.. This is no laughing matter.. It's embarrassing, disgusting and worst of all, painful. If any of you gotten hemorrhoids before, please, give me some tips and advice. My mom is going to get some things to help soothe and shrink the hemorrhoids.
Wish me luck everyone!
Good luck
lots of Preparation H cream, that's only thing really, you gotta endure the horrible pain til it goes away on its own...also try not to sit for long periods of time, it will only make it worse..
good luck with your butthole
I know you are asking for advice and all... but I still don't think this is the place to be posting that, much less ask for advice. I doubt we can give you much help/advice over the forums... I hope you get better soon though.
That is very....Unfortunate. Just dont sit down for long periods of time, and...Yeah. I wish you luck.
~Looperpuck
Thanks guys. My mom got some Preparation H so I'll be applying that a few times a day.
Whyyyyyy would you even post that here....?
If your mom is a nurse, you don't need our advice -.-;
Well, she may be a nurse, but she hasn't had hemorrhoids before. I think a person who actually experienced it would be a little more helpful. Also, I'm also making this topic for support, because it makes me feel good hearing from you guys. (:
That's extremely unfortunate Gis, I can't say I have any advice for you, but I hope the pain subsides soon.
@Cactus/DT
There is nothing wrong with posting your medical issues, whatever they may be, on a community forum. Advice from others who may have experienced it before (or know someone who has), or just support from the people you've come to think of as friends can make any situation easier to deal with. If you have no advice support to offer, then feel free not to post.
=O Luci being sincere for once! :o
~Looperpuck
Due to Luci's rather rare and irregular sincerity, I'll cover for him:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Now that that's out of the way, in all seriousness, I sympathize for you. My father had them before, and he was a very bitter man for the time, so get some cream on it, and see if that helps. I can't give you any better advice than that. And don't be discouraged by DT's post, deep down, she has a thing for buttholes, and she sympathizes for your pain.
"It's embarrassing....so let me just post this on the web so everyone can publicly know about it!"
lol wat
I will admit that he either has bigger balls or less brains than all of us combined to be able to post this.
After reading up on hemorrhoids I truly feel bad for you. It hurt to even look at some of those pictures, let alone experience them. Luckily they don't last too long, so it's just a matter of waiting them out. My advice to you would be to drink lots of water to help soften your stools to avoid prolapsing your hemorrhoids if they're interior.
Personally (i.e. feel free to disregard the following information), I would not use the hemorrhoid cream unless the pain becomes unbearable. Whatever your body is doing needs to be done, period. Inflaming the veins in and around the anal cavity is no exception. Many medical "treatments" are counterintuitive to the body's infinite knowledge of how to treat itself; knowledge that's been obtained, honed, and refined for millions of years. Suppressing the symptoms will not bring about a cure.
Regardless of whatever treatment method you'll go through, I wish you the best of luck. I'll be keeping you in my thoughts.
Quote from: Trogdor on March 09, 2010, 04:57:05 PMPersonally (i.e. feel free to disregard the following information), I would not use the hemorrhoid cream unless the pain becomes unbearable. Whatever your body is doing needs to be done, period. Inflaming the veins in and around the anal cavity is no exception. Many medical "treatments" are counterintuitive to the body's infinite knowledge of how to treat itself; knowledge that's been obtained, honed, and refined for millions of years. Suppressing the symptoms will not bring about a cure.
Right. Which is exactly what I keep telling all of the people who are trying to cure cancer. They just aren't buying it for some reason. But come on, I mean the body clearly knows why it is killing itself. It has to be for a good reason...
In otherwords, minus the sarcasm, sometimes things happen to your body because something is wrong. If you don't correct what is wrong, that thing will continue to happen. Sometimes these things don't correct themselves.
Quote from: Lingus on March 09, 2010, 05:32:23 PM
Right. Which is exactly what I keep telling all of the people who are trying to cure cancer. They just aren't buying it for some reason. But come on, I mean the body clearly knows why it is killing itself. It has to be for a good reason...
Sarcastic or not, your body does realize it's killing itself for the greater good, not only for cancer but for common ailments, such as fevers. What I'm getting from your cancer scenario is that it's
not okay to let the body harm itself, but it's fine to undergo radiation treatment/chemotherapy and let someone else slowly kill you.
Quote from: Lingus on March 09, 2010, 05:32:23 PM
In otherwords, minus the sarcasm, sometimes things happen to your body because something is wrong.
These are the outward manifestations of the problem itself, alerting the mind that something is indeed wrong with the body, although the body was well aware of it fully before these physical signs appeared.
Quote from: Lingus on March 09, 2010, 05:32:23 PM
If you don't correct what is wrong, that thing will continue to happen.
You're right, it will continue to happen. However, a healthy human being properly equipped with the building blocks needed to combat a certain disease and plenty of rest
will correct what is wrong.
Quote from: Lingus on March 09, 2010, 05:32:23 PM
Sometimes these things don't correct themselves.
Of course they correct themselves. The body doesn't simply give up if something is hard to combat. The problem here is the extent of how much the body can correct. Many people today are malnourished from the Standard American Diet, and as a result they are unable to help their body help themselves. This is where medicine comes in. You can eat whatever you want however you want whenever you want, and any bad side affects that arise can be easily "corrected" by doctors. Speaking of which, do you know what they call doctors who graduate at the bottom of their class in medical school? A doctor.
This is simply a matter of differentiating opinions. I'd rather listen to my body than someone else, while other people would rather go to a doctor for convenience, time, solace, etc. My body is my doctor, and since it has millions of years more experience than a medical practitioner, I tend to believe it knows what it's doing. I practice what I preach, and I can honestly say I've been sick one time out of three years. That's all the proof I need.
Quote from: Lucifer@Cactus/DT
There is nothing wrong with posting your medical issues, whatever they may be, on a community forum. Advice from others who may have experienced it before (or know someone who has), or just support from the people you've come to think of as friends can make any situation easier to deal with. If you have no advice support to offer, then feel free not to post.
Funny you are saying this, considering half the time your posts are just slander and libel with minor hints of on-topicness. None the less, my point is with Chaos. Its just attention seeking to me... I offer my condolences, but I suggest looking for advice or comfort from people not behind their monitors.
i guess ill step up to the plate and give some advice since ive had hemorrhoids for years. first since they are usually caused by over exerting while taking dumps, usually do to constipation or diarrhea you may want to to alter your diet some if you do have constipation alot ,eat veggies high fiber cereals and fruit,and drink more water not soda water. also may try to learn to try not to force a dump if you are constipated, i practice yes this sounds dumb but breathing exercises to calm myself similar to meditation. there are also small studies that say that sitting toilets actually increase the chance of hemorrhoids, and that if you squat while pooping that it may relieve the semptoms or reduce the chance of inflamation. they even make squating toilet although i have no clue where.
there is also something ive noticed myself, although not really meant for kids to read but may prove useful, and that is long periods of arousal and/or masturbation can cause irritation and induce hemorrhoid inflammation. i believe that is do to the erectile muscles of the penis being so close to the intestinal walls and thus causes tension on the intestinal walls when you are aroused.
so to put it simple
1- eat healthier
2- exercise
3- dont force dumps, take it nice and easy
4- try squatting if you want when dumping
5- drink more water
6- dont spend all day choking your chicken
also for other remedies that might help but i have never tried or heard of until now
dietary supplements
wikipedia stuff
Butcher's Broom extract, or Ruscus aculeatus, contains ruscogenins that have anti-inflammatory and vasoconstrictor effects that help tighten and strengthen veins. Butcher's Broom has traditionally been used to treat venous problems including hemorrhoids and varicose veins
Horse-chestnut extract, or Aesculus hippocastanum, contains a saponin known as aescin, that has anti-inflammatory, anti-edema, and venotonic actions. Aescin improves tone in vein walls, thereby strengthening the support structure of the vein. Double blind studies have shown that supplementation with horse-chestnut helps relieve the pain and swelling associated with chronic venous insufficiency
hope this helps and i feel your pain brother. hopefully you never go through what i went through, one of my hemorrhoids ripped a few years back and it scarred the hell out of me because i was bleeding pretty badly :(
further more dont listen to the people saying dont use the hemorrhoid cream because that cream is made to provide lubrication to reduce irritation and it also has anti inflation med in it i believe, i could be wrong, thus reducing the chance that the hemorrhoid rips or gets further irritated. this isnt the common cold people where your temp increase to kill the virus, this is the inflammation of an internal blood vessel which has been weakened do to genetics or stress. would you tell a person with a weakened blood vessel in his brain dont take the meds that will reduce the chance of it rupturing, no you wouldnt. although this is in your intestines and not a big of threat, its still a good analogy.
Quote from: Cactuscat222 on March 09, 2010, 06:09:53 PM
Funny you are saying this, considering half the time your posts are just slander and libel with minor hints of on-topicness. None the less, my point is with Chaos. Its just attention seeking to me... I offer my condolences, but I suggest looking for advice or comfort from people not behind their monitors.
Funny? I was in no way trying to be serious or "sincere", I was only pointing your and DT's obvious ignorance pertaining to the point of the topic. Of course all he's looking for is attention, he only wants support. If something new and painful happens in your life, you look to those around you for comfort. I would take it as an honor that someone came to me if they were troubled, not shun them because their problems didn't seem very important to me. My point is, if you don't give a shit, then why bother posting? I personally don't see why there should be a wall between sharing your lives with people over the screen and people in real life, there sure isn't one for me.
I have no idea why you would take that comment as some kind of personal insult, it wasn't intended as such.
Quote from: Trogdor on March 09, 2010, 06:06:38 PM
Quote from: Lingus on March 09, 2010, 05:32:23 PM
Right. Which is exactly what I keep telling all of the people who are trying to cure cancer. They just aren't buying it for some reason. But come on, I mean the body clearly knows why it is killing itself. It has to be for a good reason...
Sarcastic or not, your body does realize it's killing itself for the greater good, not only for cancer but for common ailments, such as fevers. What I'm getting from your cancer scenario is that it's not okay to let the body harm itself, but it's fine to undergo radiation treatment/chemotherapy and let someone else slowly kill you.
If cancer is left to be treated by the body, it will kill you. Radiation and chemotherapy, although damaging in the short term, have saved thousands of lives. If my mom had trusted in her body to cure herself, she'd be dead right now.
There's a reason why modern medicine has improved mortality rates throughout the years.
I understand, and I was being rash. But... the reason I have a "wall" between my personal friends and those beyond the monitor, is because usually I share a much deeper friendship with my 'real life' friends than those online - although I do have a couple exceptions, so I understand. Sorry, I apologize, I was being too forthcoming. Like I told Luci, I was just upset and felt awkward about having to read about another man's butthole and the problems with said butthole. I just have a problem with that word it seems. xP
Quote from: Jake on March 09, 2010, 07:10:05 PM
If cancer is left to be treated by the body, it will kill you.
Quote from: Trogdor on March 09, 2010, 06:06:38 PM
However, a healthy human being properly equipped with the building blocks needed to combat a certain disease and plenty of rest will correct what is wrong.
Does this mean there's a cure for cancer? We found the cause of cancer (http://www.ionizers.org/Otto-Warburg.html) over a hundred years ago, so why hasn't a cure been developed? I'll tell you why: people don't want to radically change their diet and subsequently their lifestyle to avoid something that may never happen to them. They want a miracle pill that will cure cancer in the off-chance that they are diagnosed with it.
Quote from: Jake on March 09, 2010, 07:10:05 PM
There's a reason why modern medicine has improved mortality rates throughout the years.
As the human condition degenerates modern medicine must improve. I have never questioned modern medicine, I simply stated that the body is able to fight diseases on its own,
provided it has the necessary materials. I cannot stress this enough. The average human
cannot fight cancer because he/she is not properly
equipped. Yes, it is as simple as it sounds.
Quote from: Cactuscat222 on March 09, 2010, 07:22:55 PM
I understand, and I was being rash. But... the reason I have a "wall" between my personal friends and those beyond the monitor, is because usually I share a much deeper friendship with my 'real life' friends than those online - although I do have a couple exceptions, so I understand. Sorry, I apologize, I was being too forthcoming. Like I told Luci, I was just upset and felt awkward about having to read about another man's butthole and the problems with said butthole. I just have a problem with that word it seems. xP
BUTTHOLE BUTTHOLE BUTTHOLE BUTTHOLE BUTTHOLE BUTTHOLE BUTTHOLE BUTTHOLE BUTTHOLE BUTTHOLE BUTTHOLE
BUTTHOLE BUTTHOLE BUTTHOLE BUTTHOLE BUTTHOLE BUTTHOLE BUTTHOLE BUTTHOLE BUTTHOLE BUTTHOLE BUTTHOLE
BUTTHOLE BUTTHOLE BUTTHOLE BUTTHOLE BUTTHOLE BUTTHOLE BUTTHOLE BUTTHOLE BUTTHOLE BUTTHOLE BUTTHOLE
How about now? :3
My dad had them once, he wouldn't stop swearing at me.
Don't you worry GIS, buttholes are my expertise. All you gotta do is let a frog kiss your asshole and you will turn into a princess. But try not to have incestuous relations with a mosquito while doing so because that shit never turns out well...trust me. BTW, the more times the frog kisses your rectum the larger your tits will be, I had a toad do a succulent maneuver on my ass about 30 times and now I'm rocking triple D cups. !@#$ YEAH.
Quote from: Mr Pwnage on March 09, 2010, 11:47:59 PM
Don't you worry GIS, buttholes are my expertise. All you gotta do is let a frog kiss your asshole and you will turn into a princess. But try not to have incestuous relations with a mosquito while doing so because that shit never turns out well...trust me. BTW, the more times the frog kisses your rectum the larger your tits will be, I had a toad do a succulent maneuver on my ass about 30 times and now I'm rocking triple D cups. !@#$ YEAH.
I've corrupted him well. Thanks another notch on the belt! Who's next?
Quote from: Trogdor on March 09, 2010, 07:30:47 PM
Quote from: Jake on March 09, 2010, 07:10:05 PM
If cancer is left to be treated by the body, it will kill you.
Quote from: Trogdor on March 09, 2010, 06:06:38 PM
However, a healthy human being properly equipped with the building blocks needed to combat a certain disease and plenty of rest will correct what is wrong.
Does this mean there's a cure for cancer? We found the cause of cancer (http://www.ionizers.org/Otto-Warburg.html) over a hundred years ago, so why hasn't a cure been developed? I'll tell you why: people don't want to radically change their diet and subsequently their lifestyle to avoid something that may never happen to them. They want a miracle pill that will cure cancer in the off-chance that they are diagnosed with it.
Quote from: Jake on March 09, 2010, 07:10:05 PM
There's a reason why modern medicine has improved mortality rates throughout the years.
As the human condition degenerates modern medicine must improve. I have never questioned modern medicine, I simply stated that the body is able to fight diseases on its own, provided it has the necessary materials. I cannot stress this enough. The average human cannot fight cancer because he/she is not properly equipped. Yes, it is as simple as it sounds.
At which point I will stop listening to you. I've seen those types of medical "ads" before and they reek of scam. Notice how they are trying to sell you a product? How they are trying to make money off of people's fears of cancer? How convenient that they have discovered the cause of cancer, and all it takes to prevent it 100% is a low low cost of $99.99! But wait!! There's more! You too can become a representative and sell our respirators to your friends and family, alienating yourself from them by pushing our crappy scam on them too! Join now to save money and lives!!
Sorry... I just don't buy it. There are things that happen to the body which cannot be prevented without intervention. Something, in fact, which you are not even disputing in your posts. You're just saying it differently than I am... and apparently using it to push your wares on this forum. But, you are saying that the body can heal itself from anything given the right tools. I agree, and sometimes those tools are medicine. Which, to be honest, is not even a remotely new or western concept. We've been using plants and what not for thousands of years...
So anyways, just get over it. Take some ibuprofen when your head hurts. Go to the doctor when you have a broken bone. Or don't, and die a slow painful death. Whichever works for you.
Quote from: Lingus on March 10, 2010, 12:39:38 AM
At which point I will stop listening to you. I've seen those types of medical "ads" before and they reek of scam. Notice how they are trying to sell you a product? How they are trying to make money off of people's fears of cancer? How convenient that they have discovered the cause of cancer, and all it takes to prevent it 100% is a low low cost of $99.99! But wait!! There's more! You too can become a representative and sell our respirators to your friends and family, alienating yourself from them by pushing our crappy scam on them too! Join now to save money and lives!!
Sorry... I just don't buy it. There are things that happen to the body which cannot be prevented without intervention. Something, in fact, which you are not even disputing in your posts. You're just saying it differently than I am... and apparently using it to push your wares on this forum. But, you are saying that the body can heal itself from anything given the right tools. I agree, and sometimes those tools are medicine. Which, to be honest, is not even a remotely new or western concept. We've been using plants and what not for thousands of years...
So anyways, just get over it. Take some ibuprofen when your head hurts. Go to the doctor when you have a broken bone. Or don't, and die a slow painful death. Whichever works for you.
I'm very sorry, that was a grave mistake on my part. That was probably one of the worst websites to cite. Believe you me I don't buy into those ads (ionizers or whatever they were trying to sell) any more than you do; I was trying to emphasize Dr. Otto Warburg's cancer research, and I should've gone with a wiki instead of just clicking on one of the websites near the top. I doubt you'll listen to me now that I've lost all credibility with you, so I'll simply speak to the topic at large.
Dr. Otto Warburg, a two time Nobel laureate, did some research pertaining to the prime cause of cancer. He found that malignant growth, tumor growth, and cancer cells mainly derive their energy from the non-oxidative breakdown of glucose, the key here being "non-oxidative". In healthy cells flushed with oxygen, the breakdown of pyruvate is the main building block to form the adenosine triphosphate (ATP) used to power cells.
The former almost relates to the Krebs cycle, where the cell must revert to a primordial way to obtain its energy. A by-product of such a cycle is the creation of acidic material (I'm pretty sure it's lactic, but I could be wrong). If the body starts to rely increasingly on this energy source, the body's pH will slowly lower to a slightly acidic environment (the human body being a pH of 7.0 - 7.2, this isn't by any means hard to achieve). It is this type of environment that cancer cells thrive in, as proved by Dr. Warburg. Going further in his studies, he simulated an environment where cells had ample oxygen, and found that it was physically
impossible for cancer cells to thrive in the alkaline environment.
So now that we've established the difference between alkaline and acidic environments and their effects on cancer cells, we'll use that knowledge to go one step further. Some foods, such as cheeses and breads, acidify in the body during digestion. Other foods, such as seeds and vegetables, help to maintain an alkaline environment. Since roughly 99% of our bodies are made up of the liquids and foods we eat, it's not such a stretch to assume the foods we eat can have a large impact on our bodies (and its respective pH). By avoiding acidifying foods, one could go lengths to prevent cancer growth and development by removing the environment in which it functions the best.
P.S. Before you draw conclusions Lingus, you would do well to carefully read the rest of the post. Right after I stupidly quoted that site, I went on to bash the very people who buy into those silly ads:
Quote from: Trogdor on March 09, 2010, 07:30:47 PM
... people don't want to radically change their diet and subsequently their lifestyle to avoid something that may never happen to them. They want a miracle pill that will cure cancer in the off-chance that they are diagnosed with it.
On top of that, the main subject of all of my posts has been using the human body to treat itself,
not having doctors or other third parties (including said ad) treat whatever ails me.
Quote from: TrogdorMany medical "treatments" are counterintuitive to the body's infinite knowledge of how to treat itself; knowledge that's been obtained, honed, and refined for millions of years.
Quote from: Trogdor
This is simply a matter of differentiating opinions. I'd rather listen to my body than someone else... My body is my doctor, and since it has millions of years more experience than a medical practitioner, I tend to believe it knows what it's doing.
Quote from: Trogdor
I have never questioned modern medicine, I simply stated that the body is able to fight diseases on its own, provided it has the necessary materials.
Quote from: Trogdor
However, a healthy human being properly equipped with the building blocks needed to combat a certain disease and plenty of rest will correct what is wrong.
I'll make sure to avoid cutting any corners with you from now on.
i never read trogdors posts always too long
Quote from: runeskap master117 on March 10, 2010, 07:38:19 AM
i never read trogdors posts always too long
Yes, we're well aware that over half of the community here has the attention span of a flying squirrel, and if it doesn't hit you in the head with the force of a Louisville slugger, you won't feel it.
I can understand where Trogdor is coming from, but I as well have to side with Lingus. Not everything can be fought off by the human body. Do I recommend reaching for some cold medicine when you get the cold? Absolutely not. I've had some terrible colds where the congestion was so bad that if I looked to far in any direction my head would ache, or I couldn't turn my head else it would feel like a spike was being hammered through my temples. I knew that if I let it go and just do my best to not infect anyone else, my body would build an immunity towards it, thus making me less prone to it for longer than if I relied on medication.
Cancer, good luck fighting that off by yourself, or a broken arm, or even Hemorrhoids. Sure, you might be able to suppress it, but I would highly recommend ending that as quick as possible, as there is no doubt it is painful. But to treat every single minor illness through popping pills is a bit too expensive and yes, it may be counter-intuitive to your body's natural capability to fight off mediocre illness. Know your limits, and when to get help.
The thing with cancer, Trogdor, is that there are hundreds of different causes for it. Simply changing your diet to less acidic foods might lower your chances of getting a few specific forms of cancer, but it is by no means a cure. For example, breast cancer is often times fueled by too much estrogen in the body. Does that mean every woman is simply lazy because they've got an abundance of estrogen in their bodies? No, because most of the time it's encouraged.
I agree with what you're saying to an extent, similar to how Scotty agrees with you. It is important for the body to fight things off on it's own. The difference between most diseases and cancer though, is that cancer is a mutation. The body itself becomes the weapon and it attacks itself.
I'm not denying that people can do things to help their body fight the cancer once they find out they have it. In cases of Breast cancer, it means cutting down on soy based products and a few other things. Sadly, one's diet can only go so far.
Quote from: Scotty on March 10, 2010, 12:48:40 PM
Quote from: runeskap master117 on March 10, 2010, 07:38:19 AM
i never read trogdors posts always too long
Yes, we're well aware that over half of the community here has the attention span of a flying squirrel, and if it doesn't hit you in the head with the force of a Louisville slugger, you won't feel it.
I can understand where Trogdor is coming from, but I as well have to side with Lingus. Not everything can be fought off by the human body. Do I recommend reaching for some cold medicine when you get the cold? Absolutely not. I've had some terrible colds where the congestion was so bad that if I looked to far in any direction my head would ache, or I couldn't turn my head else it would feel like a spike was being hammered through my temples. I knew that if I let it go and just do my best to not infect anyone else, my body would build an immunity towards it, thus making me less prone to it for longer than if I relied on medication.
Cancer, good luck fighting that off by yourself, or a broken arm, or even Hemorrhoids. Sure, you might be able to suppress it, but I would highly recommend ending that as quick as possible, as there is no doubt it is painful. But to treat every single minor illness through popping pills is a bit too expensive and yes, it may be counter-intuitive to your body's natural capability to fight off mediocre illness. Know your limits, and when to get help.
I've always kept this same mentality. I've let my body fight off everything. I rarely ever use medicine. In the past 4-5 years I've had maybe 2 colds and that's IT. I don't get sick. I see people around me getting sick all the time but it just does not happen to me. I've built up an immunity.
And folks, it's going to get really bad for the next generation. All the young ones these days are so pampered by their parents, what with this anti-bacterial hand lotions and all the coddling, i foresee a future where sick days are much more common place.
Oh, and side note. I've always disliked that people can't take the time to read a decent sized post. Your on a message board for christ sakes, talking about hemmeroids! Obviously you have nothing better to do, so why cant you take an extra minute to read the post?
@Seifer: BECUZ THERE ST00PID!
@Scotty and Lingus: I find it funny you keep bringing up broken bones, considering the body is the ONLY thing that can fix that. lulz.
Quote from: Chaos on March 10, 2010, 02:08:35 PM
@Scotty and Lingus: I find it funny you keep bringing up broken bones, considering the body is the ONLY thing that can fix that. lulz.
Lemme take a crack at your femur with a sledge hammer, then we'll cordon you off from the rest of the world for a year. During that time, you aren't allowed to touch your leg, you have to let your body fix it. No resetting the bone, no painkillers, nothing. Don't worry though, your body is the only solution to fixing it right?
How about we have a debate topic instead of stealing others.
Quote from: EpicPhailure on March 10, 2010, 03:40:03 PM
How about we have a debate topic instead of stealing others.
Because debating in a topic about hemorrhoids is the only way we can keep ourselves from laughing hysterically at someone else misfortune. Stay "on topic" now.
Quote from: Scotty on March 10, 2010, 03:36:56 PM
Quote from: Chaos on March 10, 2010, 02:08:35 PM
@Scotty and Lingus: I find it funny you keep bringing up broken bones, considering the body is the ONLY thing that can fix that. lulz.
Lemme take a crack at your femur with a sledge hammer, then we'll cordon you off from the rest of the world for a year. During that time, you aren't allowed to touch your leg, you have to let your body fix it. No resetting the bone, no painkillers, nothing. Don't worry though, your body is the only solution to fixing it right?
Wow, that is the weakest load of bollocks I've ever heard you spout. Yes, your body IS the only solution to fixing it. I want you to provide me with ANY doctor that can fix a broken bone. As a matter of fact, I could bet you a million dollars that you'll never find one. I don't have a million dollars, sure, but that really doesn't matter, cause I will never owe you a cent.
A doctor can diagnose a broken bone. A doctor can make sure you don't move the broken bone. There is no medicine in existence that can fix one.
YOU LOSE. GOOD DAY, SIR.
EDIT: Incidentally, I just want to clarify, I am inclined to agree with Trogdor, to a certain extent. Not EVERYTHING can be fixed by your body; however, you must realize, humans have lived for thousands of years. Our minds and bodies are designed and programmed specifically to keep ourselves alive. Additionally, drug companies aren't interested in your well-being. Like all companies, what they want is your wallet, and to get it, they'll gladly keep pushing out drugs for you to buy.
However, I do believe medicine has plenty of value, as well. Vaccines, for example, are weaker versions of a disease, specifically given to people for them to BUILD an immunity. Touching on the broken bones thing again, while they can't FIX the bone, they can make sure you can't move it so that it heals properly. As Jake said, cancer is a mutation. Like computers, your body can malfunction.
I'll just finish with this link to an article I read a while back. You'll all probably find it fairly interesting:
http://www.wired.com/medtech/drugs/magazine/17-09/ff_placebo_effect?currentPage=all
While medicine has value, don't underestimate the power of your body. :/
Quote from: Chaos on March 10, 2010, 03:58:42 PM
Quote from: Scotty on March 10, 2010, 03:36:56 PM
Quote from: Chaos on March 10, 2010, 02:08:35 PM
@Scotty and Lingus: I find it funny you keep bringing up broken bones, considering the body is the ONLY thing that can fix that. lulz.
Lemme take a crack at your femur with a sledge hammer, then we'll cordon you off from the rest of the world for a year. During that time, you aren't allowed to touch your leg, you have to let your body fix it. No resetting the bone, no painkillers, nothing. Don't worry though, your body is the only solution to fixing it right?
Wow, that is the weakest load of bollocks I've ever heard you spout. Yes, your body IS the only solution to fixing it. I want you to provide me with ANY doctor that can fix a broken bone. As a matter of fact, I could bet you a million dollars that you'll never find one. I don't have a million dollars, sure, but that really doesn't matter, cause I will never owe you a cent.
A doctor can diagnose a broken bone. A doctor can make sure you don't move the broken bone. There is no medicine in existence that can fix one.
YOU LOSE. GOOD DAY, SIR.
One word: gangrene. Break a bone bad enough, leave it without any intervention whatsoever, and you will die from gangrene. You need to have the bone set. You may even need antibiotics if it broke the skin. Which is another good point. If you get an infection and leave it, you could die from it. You need antiobiotics to kill the infection. You can't rely on your body to fix everything. Anyways, my point in bringing up broken bones is that you need some kind of intervention. My point was never that you need medicine in every case. But you can't just let your body fix itself. There is some kind of treatment that needs to be done most of the time, even if that treatment is setting the bone. No medicine involved, but the body was not going to do it all by itself.
And with cancer, the point is the body is causing itself harm. It is exactly the opposite of what Trogdor is saying. I agree with Jake here that cancer is a genetic mutation. It is the body killing itself. So sometimes this instinctual, natural, built-in healing effect you are talking about is reversed. Yes, the human body has been evolving for thousands of years to get to this point, but that does not make it immune to mutations. Species survive for millions of years before dying out. Just because our species is alive now does not mean it is the ultimate model for indestructibility.
Anyways, I'm repeating what has been said by most of us. Again, it sounds like we're all agreeing with eachother actually. Just saying it in different ways. Or maybe we each have slightly varying ideas of what the truth is. I think we can all agree that the body has the ability to heal itself to a certain extent, but past that extent it needs some form of assitance if not in the healing, then in the comfort of the individual while the healing takes place.
Btw, I don't think taking cold medicine has anything to do with how you build immunity. Cold medicine just deals with the symptoms of a cold. Your body still has to fight off the virus. You just don't feel the pain/discomfort as much while the body is fighting off the virus. One place a similar concept will NOT help is with pain killers. The idea is that if you can't feel how much pain you are in you may do something to hurt yourself further. Like if your arm is broken, but you can't tell how much it hurts when you move it you are likely to move it in such a way to further injure the broken bone. So I would be okay with taking cold medicine, but would take it easy on pain killers with a serious injury.
Did you really just spend 40+ minutes writing a response, or not bother to read my edit? <_<
Quote from: Chaos on March 10, 2010, 05:15:56 PM
Did you really just spend 40+ minutes writing a response, or not bother to read my edit? <_<
LMAO!
Lingus, Chaos isn't saying that the body doesn't need intervention in the case of a broken bone. I think we can all safely agree that it's important for doctors to help us under these circumstances. He's simply saying that the body is the only thing that can mend a broken bone. Anything that doctors do is only encouraging the healing process and stopping infections from spreading in the mean time.
I've read through everyone's posts, and all seem to have the same dissenting opinion over the complete abstinence of medication. I would like to emphasize that medication does have its place in the world, however it would be much more beneficial to give your body a chance to fight off a disease on its own. If there is
no possible way to cure a disease, or if it's a matter between life and death, then take as much medicine as you'd like. The whole point of my previous post was to demonstrate to you all how a simple change in your lifestyle (this time being a change in diet) could drastically lower your chances of getting cancer. If there is a non-medicative alternative to the prevention of cancer, the very disease that's stumped scientists for centuries, then surely there are other alternative ways to allow your body to fight its own battles.
Quote from: Jake on March 10, 2010, 01:58:06 PM
The thing with cancer, Trogdor, is that there are hundreds of different causes for it. Simply changing your diet to less acidic foods might lower your chances of getting a few specific forms of cancer, but it is by no means a cure.
I don't believe I ever implied a change in diet could
cure cancer, and if I did I'm sorry for the incorrect wording. However, despite cancer having a myriad of different causes, there is still a central cause that relates to all forms of cancer:
Quote from: Dr. Otto H. Warburg"Cancer, above all other diseases, has countless secondary causes. But, even for cancer, there is only one prime cause. Summarized in a few words, the prime cause of cancer is the replacement of the respiration of oxygen in normal body cells by a fermentation of sugar."
Scientists today still acknowledge this phenomenon as an underlying theme of cancer, and may be utilized in the development of anticancer drugs. The fact that cancer cells do switch to glycolysis and are in themselves acidic only further proves Dr. Warburg's point over a hundred years ago.
Quote from: Lingus on March 10, 2010, 05:13:04 PM
And with cancer, the point is the body is causing itself harm. It is exactly the opposite of what Trogdor is saying.
I'm not entirely sure what you mean by this. The only way the body knows how to deal with cancer is by harming itself, which is part of the healing. There is no known way to kill cancer without a part of the body becoming damaged as a result, be it radiation treatment, chemotherapy, or allowing your body deal with it.
Anyways, I think we're all playing the devil's advocate here by using cancer as a platform to debate the healing properties of the body (or lack thereof). Cancer has been and still is a heated topic in the medical and scientific community, people throwing out treatment methods left and right, telling you what to do and what not to do (Dr. Warburg is a great example of this, it's largely up to which scientist you're going to believe). Since cancer is largely a gray area, all we will get are conflicting opinions on how to best treat it.
What this all ties into is the best treatment method for hemorrhoids,
not cancer. Cancer
may be one of the uncurable or untreatable things your body comes across, but that obviously does not mean other more common diseases can't be treated by the body. What I told GIS in my first post was to allow his body a fair chance at dealing with the hemorrhoids, and unless the pain becomes unendurable, use the cream. The veins in and/or around his anus are inflamed for a reason (a.k.a. the body knows what it's doing) so allow it to run its course. It's staggering to believe a simple bit of advice turned this topic into a heated debate, though I always welcome one as I love hearing other people's view on certain topics.
I have to agree with Lingus about all of us agreeing on the same thing, to a certain extent. The only bone of contention that differed among us was cancer (speaking of which, now I see we're getting on the topic of broken bones). I think this post is long enough without my stance on broken bones, so I'll throw in my two cents as the topic progresses. Speaking of long posts, I actually lol'd at this:
Quote from: runeskap master117 on March 10, 2010, 07:38:19 AM
i never read trogdors posts always too long
Update! About 90% of my pain is gone! It only hurts after doing #2 now, and it doesn't bleed even close to as much it did. Thanks for the support all , I couldn't have done it without you guys! (I probably could, but it helped :D )
Well...Glad to hear that GIS. Hopefully soon it will be gone completely.
~Looperpuck
Support?
...Chaos, do you have to take everything so seriously? In case you haven't noticed people on the first page all said good luck and things along those lines, and that's support to me. So take it easy please.
Quote from: God-I-Suck on March 15, 2010, 10:36:53 AM
...Chaos, do you have to take everything so seriously? In case you haven't noticed people on the first page all said good luck and things along those lines, and that's support to me. So take it easy please.
lol, how very ironic. Clearly, you totally missed that I was making a joke on the fact that the topic devolved into a completely different subject. Why so serious?
(http://www.hollow-hill.com/sabina/images/why-so-serious-cat.jpg)
i hope my post was helpful and im glad to hear you are better dude.
Quote from: Chaos on March 15, 2010, 10:43:48 AM
Quote from: God-I-Suck on March 15, 2010, 10:36:53 AM
...Chaos, do you have to take everything so seriously? In case you haven't noticed people on the first page all said good luck and things along those lines, and that's support to me. So take it easy please.
lol, how very ironic. Clearly, you totally missed that I was making a joke on the fact that the topic devolved into a completely different subject. Why so serious?
... -_-
Please don't do that.
Quote from: God-I-Suck on March 15, 2010, 06:30:21 PM
Quote from: Chaos on March 15, 2010, 10:43:48 AM
Quote from: God-I-Suck on March 15, 2010, 10:36:53 AM
...Chaos, do you have to take everything so seriously? In case you haven't noticed people on the first page all said good luck and things along those lines, and that's support to me. So take it easy please.
lol, how very ironic. Clearly, you totally missed that I was making a joke on the fact that the topic devolved into a completely different subject. Why so serious?
... -_-
Please don't do that.
wat
Quote from: God-I-Suck on March 15, 2010, 06:30:21 PM
Quote from: Chaos on March 15, 2010, 10:43:48 AM
Quote from: God-I-Suck on March 15, 2010, 10:36:53 AM
...Chaos, do you have to take everything so seriously? In case you haven't noticed people on the first page all said good luck and things along those lines, and that's support to me. So take it easy please.
lol, how very ironic. Clearly, you totally missed that I was making a joke on the fact that the topic devolved into a completely different subject. Why so serious?
... -_-
Please don't do that.
Want to know how I got these scars?!
Hemorrhoids. :)
Eh, some people get all of the luck. I was diagnosed with ulcerative colitis in August of 2009, age 17. Not even three months after that, I had to have surgery to have most of my colon removed. Dropped down from 130 pounds to 80 pounds in those three months. Also made about 7 trips to the hospital during that time as well. If you think having a mere pain in the ass sucks, try going through everything I went through, having almost died. If you don't know what ulcerative colitis is, it's almost exactly the same as Crohn's disease, just less severe. If you don't know what Crohn's disease is... then look it up.
But yet, I'm still standing, having yet to be crumbled and torn apart by fate. After going what I went through, I can look back and honestly say that it made me a better, stronger person both on the inside and out. And the point I'm trying to make with this story is that, no matter how small or how severe, anything life changing such as what I had or even hemorrhoids can turn you into a better person.
Quote from: VolcomPunk on April 09, 2010, 02:37:13 PM
Eh, some people get all of the luck. I was diagnosed with ulcerative colitis in August of 2009, age 17. Not even three months after that, I had to have surgery to have most of my colon removed. Dropped down from 130 pounds to 80 pounds in those three months. Also made about 7 trips to the hospital during that time as well. If you think having a mere pain in the ass sucks, try going through everything I went through, having almost died. If you don't know what ulcerative colitis is, it's almost exactly the same as Crohn's disease, just less severe. If you don't know what Crohn's disease is... then look it up.
But yet, I'm still standing, having yet to be crumbled and torn apart by fate. After going what I went through, I can look back and honestly say that it made me a better, stronger person both on the inside and out. And the point I'm trying to make with this story is that, no matter how small or how severe, anything life changing such as what I had or even hemorrhoids can turn you into a better person.
Wow, that sucks. Glad you got better though.
Quote from: VolcomPunk on April 09, 2010, 02:37:13 PM
Eh, some people get all of the luck. I was diagnosed with ulcerative colitis in August of 2009, age 17. Not even three months after that, I had to have surgery to have most of my colon removed. Dropped down from 130 pounds to 80 pounds in those three months. Also made about 7 trips to the hospital during that time as well. If you think having a mere pain in the ass sucks, try going through everything I went through, having almost died. If you don't know what ulcerative colitis is, it's almost exactly the same as Crohn's disease, just less severe. If you don't know what Crohn's disease is... then look it up.
But yet, I'm still standing, having yet to be crumbled and torn apart by fate. After going what I went through, I can look back and honestly say that it made me a better, stronger person both on the inside and out. And the point I'm trying to make with this story is that, no matter how small or how severe, anything life changing such as what I had or even hemorrhoids can turn you into a better person.
In other words, it builds character! God I hated being told that!
Quote from: Scotty on April 09, 2010, 05:47:25 PM
Quote from: VolcomPunk on April 09, 2010, 02:37:13 PM
Eh, some people get all of the luck. I was diagnosed with ulcerative colitis in August of 2009, age 17. Not even three months after that, I had to have surgery to have most of my colon removed. Dropped down from 130 pounds to 80 pounds in those three months. Also made about 7 trips to the hospital during that time as well. If you think having a mere pain in the ass sucks, try going through everything I went through, having almost died. If you don't know what ulcerative colitis is, it's almost exactly the same as Crohn's disease, just less severe. If you don't know what Crohn's disease is... then look it up.
But yet, I'm still standing, having yet to be crumbled and torn apart by fate. After going what I went through, I can look back and honestly say that it made me a better, stronger person both on the inside and out. And the point I'm trying to make with this story is that, no matter how small or how severe, anything life changing such as what I had or even hemorrhoids can turn you into a better person.
In other words, it builds character! God I hated being told that!
"Builds Character"
...
!@#$, That's just what people say to you or themselves to feel good about the shitty hand life dealt to them, ignoring the fact that some bigwig is cashing in his chips upon your misfortune.