Twilight: For Guys!!

[Scotty]

Well I never thought the first book discussion topic on stick online forums was going to be Twilight.

Seifer's fault, not mine!

[Scotty]

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[Lucifer]

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God

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I rofld!

[DarkTrinity]

I will say that the 3rd movie/book is the best out of the 4 books/3 movies. That's mainly when all the action starts. And the 2nd book/movie is my least favorite of all of them.
Though the 3rd book is better than the movie, because Kristen Stewart is still in the need of acting lessons and Robert Pattenson constantly looks like he's in pain and Taylor Lautner's voice just annoys the hell out of me(but he is good eye candy, if only he had no speaking parts). :3
I guess it just feels like the movies hype up the romance part of the story, where in the books it feels like it's half action & half romance... or maybe it's just me. lol.
My boyfriend has never read the books, but he likes the movies, but mainly for the fight scenes. I actually know a lot of guys who enjoy the twilight movies. (only one of them being gay.) lol.

[ARTgames]

Oh
My
!@#$ing
God

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHkPJ1ACLrg

Win. Total Win.

I rofld!

I rofld also!

[Lingus]

Well I never thought the first book discussion topic on stick online forums was going to be Twilight.

Not true. There was a whole thread on all different kinds of books.... Though, was that on the hangout forum? I can't remember.

Says the guy who read the first 100 pages. Most series first 100 pages are rather bland, it's all just back story and buildup.

You are reading the wrong books. What you say is just not true. Any book you read should be interesting THROUGHOUT. If it isn't, they're doing it wrong. Books need to be interesting from the very beginning or they don't sell...

With that said, I'm not sure I believe what you say about this book. Obviously this series has sold to a massive audience. There's no way it was written with the first 100 pages being bland and boring and millions of people were still interested in it. The majority of the public does not have the attention span to deal with that kind of thing. Hell, the agent wouldn't have even picked the author up if that were the case. That's just how the publishing industry works.

And, just so it looks like I don't support any side of this:

So that begs the question, what does a guy see in the books?  Does a guy fit himself into the book as this girl, vying for the attention of a hot guy?

What makes you think a reader needs to see themselves as one of the characters in a book? If what I'm reading is interesting, I don't need to identify with the character necessarily. They could be completely opposite from my personality as long as they are an interesting character to read about.

Not that I'm claiming the character was interesting (or not interesting for that matter)... I haven't read the book.

[ARTgames]

Well I never thought the first book discussion topic on stick online forums was going to be Twilight.

Not true. There was a whole thread on all different kinds of books.... Though, was that on the hangout forum? I can't remember.

On the official forums no. Unless you can link to one.  On hangout maybe, there were long times I never when.

[Scotty]

What makes you think a reader needs to see themselves as one of the characters in a book? If what I'm reading is interesting, I don't need to identify with the character necessarily. They could be completely opposite from my personality as long as they are an interesting character to read about.

Not that I'm claiming the character was interesting (or not interesting for that matter)... I haven't read the book.

I'm not saying a reader needs to relate themselves to the character.  I'm saying that the author did a fantastic job of facilitating the possibility, therefor leaving others easily susceptible to doing so (it's rather obvious even, black and white when you review the amount of detail explained between Ed and template girl).  Now pair that thought with my previous post regarding high school girly giggly gossip, and answer me this, if you don't (which I'm sure you won't) find that kind of crap interesting, does that mean you might relate yourself (read the italics in the quote)?

[Lingus]

What makes you think a reader needs to see themselves as one of the characters in a book? If what I'm reading is interesting, I don't need to identify with the character necessarily. They could be completely opposite from my personality as long as they are an interesting character to read about.

Not that I'm claiming the character was interesting (or not interesting for that matter)... I haven't read the book.

I'm not saying a reader needs to relate themselves to the character.  I'm saying that the author did a fantastic job of facilitating the possibility, therefor leaving others easily susceptible to doing so (it's rather obvious even, black and white when you review the amount of detail explained between Ed and template girl).  Now pair that thought with my previous post regarding high school girly giggly gossip, and answer me this, if you don't (which I'm sure you won't) find that kind of crap interesting, does that mean you might relate yourself (read the italics in the quote)?

It's hard for me to respond accurately given that I haven't read the book... but I will say this: If I don't find the characters or story or premise or something about the book interesting, I don't care how relatable the characters are. I don't want to read a boring story about a boring person doing boring things JUST because they're "just like me." In contrast, it helps sometimes to be able to relate to the main character... but it still has to be interesting.

Again, not saying any of this relates to Twilight since I haven't read it. This is just a generalization about reading books (or enjoying any medium of entertainment be it book, television, film, interpretive dance...)

[DarkTrinity]

Says the guy who read the first 100 pages. Most series first 100 pages are rather bland, it's all just back story and buildup.

You are reading the wrong books. What you say is just not true. Any book you read should be interesting THROUGHOUT. If it isn't, they're doing it wrong. Books need to be interesting from the very beginning or they don't sell...

With that said, I'm not sure I believe what you say about this book. Obviously this series has sold to a massive audience. There's no way it was written with the first 100 pages being bland and boring and millions of people were still interested in it. The majority of the public does not have the attention span to deal with that kind of thing. Hell, the agent wouldn't have even picked the author up if that were the case. That's just how the publishing industry works.

Basically the first part of the book is Bella moving to Washington, describing Edward & his family, & Bella then trying to figure out why him and his family are so different. Basically it's bland compared to the rest of the book & series where vampires are trying to kill Bella, wolves are trying to kill the vampires and the High & mighty group of vampires(Volturi) wants to kill them both, and then ultimately has a half vampire, half human child kill her while ripping itself out of her stomach. Yes, I would consider the first part of the first book to be bland compared to that. The climax (in every book I've read) is in the middle of the book. It's not that it's just bland, it's bland comparatively.

Also, Stephanie Meyer has made so much money off these books, so obviously she's doing something right.... And, she has written 2 other books (a short one about the story of a vampire in the 3rd movie) and a book completely unrelated to the series (The Host), which I also found to be a good read.

[Lingus]

Well, I see what you're saying, but really it doesn't matter "in comparison." It only matters that it is interesting in itself. Especially because you're comparing it to something that the reader, on first read through, would not be comparing it to not having read the portion you are comparing to. So it's likely that it has some interest... just maybe not the vampires killing each other and/or having sex with each other kind of interest. But, certain kinds of interest are subjective so it may not be a draw for certain types of people.

And still, I have to take another stand on this:

Also, Stephanie Meyer has made so much money off these books, so obviously she's doing something right.... And, she has written 2 other books (a short one about the story of a vampire in the 3rd movie) and a book completely unrelated to the series (The Host), which I also found to be a good read.

Yes, I agree, and I have heard this said before. She has obviously done something right. Just like the author of the Harry Potter series has obviously done something right. What they've done is managed to write something that appeals to a mass market, and positioned themselves and their product such that it reaches the largest fan base that it could possibly reach. And that says something about their ability to read the market... and possibly something about their creativity and/or ability to write. But not necessarily so. It doesn't take a great book to be a best seller. It takes a great agent.

That said, a bestseller could also be very good work. It could even be extremely good literature that stands with other classics... But the majority of the time this is not the case. And often times bestsellers are really not that good in terms of literary quality. In any case, my point is that popularity does not automatically mean quality.

[DarkTrinity]

I'm not saying it's high quality, it's aimed at teenage girls after all and what do they know?
I'm just saying a majority of people enjoy reading the series. And also The Host is supposed to be aimed towards a more mature audience (and I've notice it's nowhere near as popular as the Twilight series, lol)

[DeamonClawz]

I'm pretty sure SOMEONE on this forum had to have read this. I read it a few months ago, but I managed to find it again.
http://theoatmeal.com/story/twilight

This backs up Scotty. And puts twilight to shame. Thank the Lord my gf doesn't like Twilight

[DarkTrinity]

I'm pretty sure SOMEONE on this forum had to have read this. I read it a few months ago, but I managed to find it again.
http://theoatmeal.com/story/twilight

This backs up Scotty. And puts twilight to shame. Thank the Lord my gf doesn't like Twilight

LOL thanks. Now I know where Scotty got his argument from, since he basically copied it word for word. And once again, this guy didn't read the full book either.

[Scotty]

Brilliant minds think alike!