Death.. Then what?

[Chaos]

I see your 'logic' that you are trying to point out to us, but I don't agree with it.

That could perhaps do with a rephrase?  If you 'see the logic' I'm pointing out, it would be assumed that what I'm saying makes logical sense to you. 

The way I'm reading that as of right now, you're essentially saying "I see the logic, I'm just choosing to ignore it."  o_O

If that is indeed the case, then I agree with Mystery, this topic should end now, because there is nothing constructive left to be said.

[DarkTrinity]

God created humans so he could watch all the ridiculous arguments everyone has debating his existance.

I say, let people believe whatever they want, have whatever religion they want(or lack thereof), if it gives them hope, if it gets them to keep moving through life, then more power to 'em. If anyone tries pushing their religion onto other people, and debating who's belief is right/wrong, then I have a problem. I hate when people try to push religion on you and tell you their way is right. Even if it were the otherway around, if I was highly religious and someone tried to tell me my beliefs were wrong, I would still have a problem.
I think it's a waste of time trying to prove anyones beliefs are right or wrong, because beliefs are based on your own personal views and experiences, and yours alone. You can't change someone's mind on a belief they've probably based their entire life upon.

To answer the actual question presented in this topic....  Death... Then cheese. All you can eat.

[Cactuscat222]

Yes, I had better rephrase it: I meant it as, I see what you are saying, but I don't believe it has basis. For example, what Mystery was saying about God; yes it would be logical that God wouldn't agree with slavery - however, this is not the case, it would only be logical in your terms. So I guess I can't even really say your 'logic'... I guess I see your point, but I don't agree with it, it doesn't make sense to me yet.

[flashmaniac]

I really do think that this thread could be closed. It's creating too many arguments, I don't really want to get caught up in any sort of religious dispute, just clearly stating that from what I've gathered from this topic many people have become angry.

[ARTgames]

Yeah but there has not been any flame wars. As long as people are cool and trying to explain a point it seems ok to me.

[Jake]

I'd like to bring some evidence forth called the dead sea scrolls. Any quick google search will lead you to an analysis of documents found that contain the original texts of the bible. Through these, Christians have evidence that translations made to the bible are coherent with the original scriptures, and not based off translated book after book until the scriptures are revised along the way.

I also wanted to point out that God had two sets of rules in the bible. Rules for Israelites, and rules for everyone else. He talks about slavery, what to eat, what not to eat, etc. But he applied these rules to the Israelites, because they were His people and it is said that he had a higher standard for them to follow.

flash: It really doesn't need to be closed. It's getting more interesting by the minute, and some annoyances that were being built up against each other have diminishe.

Torch: The will of God is not to follow his morale teachings. His ultimate goal is for us to love him. And that's pretty much the only thing you need to do according to him. By following his laws, it increases our love for him (according to the bible). This isn't the old Catholicism, where you had to torture yourself to repent for your sins. Being sorry is simply enough. Also, the ten commandments are some of the least out dated items I can imagine. They present a rule set that is perfectly applicable to our modern society.

I also want to point out that I am not really a Christian, just for future reference. I argue the least popular side in any debate.

[Chaos]

Yes, I had better rephrase it: I meant it as, I see what you are saying, but I don't believe it has basis. For example, what Mystery was saying about God; yes it would be logical that God wouldn't agree with slavery - however, this is not the case, it would only be logical in your terms. So I guess I can't even really say your 'logic'... I guess I see your point, but I don't agree with it, it doesn't make sense to me yet.

I'd like to point out that I personally don't support that line of reasoning.  It isn't logical to make assumptions that God wouldn't agree with slavery.  I stated as much in one of my previous posts:

If some of it is flawed, who is to say other portions aren't?  How are we drawing these lines, now?  Murder is a sin, but for how long?  Til public opinion says otherwise, and we decide to revise "God's word"?

Slavery wasn't 'bad' before, but now we believe it is.  This is public opinion, not "God's word".  My point is, when something becomes unpopular, some seem to deem it okay it go revising the bible to say such.

[Mr Pwnage]

I argue the least popular side in any debate.

Amen. (No pun intended.)

[ARTgames]

I argue the least popular side in any debate.

Amen. (No pun intended.)

But what side do you agree with the most?

in a debate i pick the side i agree with (this can change depending what point are brot up in the debate). or in some cases the side that is not getting good recognition. But i will never pick a side over popularity height or low.

[Cactuscat222]

Yes, I had better rephrase it: I meant it as, I see what you are saying, but I don't believe it has basis. For example, what Mystery was saying about God; yes it would be logical that God wouldn't agree with slavery - however, this is not the case, it would only be logical in your terms. So I guess I can't even really say your 'logic'... I guess I see your point, but I don't agree with it, it doesn't make sense to me yet.

I'd like to point out that I personally don't support that line of reasoning.  It isn't logical to make assumptions that God wouldn't agree with slavery.  I stated as much in one of my previous posts:

If some of it is flawed, who is to say other portions aren't?  How are we drawing these lines, now?  Murder is a sin, but for how long?  Til public opinion says otherwise, and we decide to revise "God's word"?

Slavery wasn't 'bad' before, but now we believe it is.  This is public opinion, not "God's word".  My point is, when something becomes unpopular, some seem to deem it okay it go revising the bible to say such.

I haven't said one word about revising it; scratch that, I did, I said the same thing as you.

In an earlier post:

Or are you saying that as we modernize, we should go back to everything created beforehand, and update them according to our beliefs?

This was rhetorical obviously.

EDIT: I think we are on the wrong page here, because I didn't say "God wouldn't agree with slavery". I have stated he does.

[Jake]

I think the best answer to gods opinion on slavery is that we don't know for sure if he agrees with it or does not. Unless you can show me evidence pointing one way or the other.

[jonsploder]

If you're religious, your religion explains it all.
If you are not, then when you die, you are dead. There is no life after death, when you die, you are dead. Hard to comprehend at first, but when faced with other questions, pretty easy. The bigger question is what to do in the time between creation and destruction. IMHO.

[ARTgames]

I think this an appropriate time and place to bring this up:
http://liberator.net/articles/AdamsKen/BibleJustice.html

[Torch]

I think the best answer to gods opinion on slavery is that we don't know for sure if he agrees with it or does not. Unless you can show me evidence pointing one way or the other.

At the time the bible was written, slavery was an accepted part of society. This is another example of how the bible is outdated. Morals and laws that may have had meaning back then don't necessarily make sense in today's society. It is important for people to for themselves what is right and wrong instead of following an outdated book.

"God's" opinion of slavery was simply society's opinion on slavery at the time and has no relevance today.

[Chaos]

I think the best answer to gods opinion on slavery is that we don't know for sure if he agrees with it or does not. Unless you can show me evidence pointing one way or the other.

At the time the bible was written, slavery was an accepted part of society. This is another example of how the bible is outdated. Morals and laws that may have had meaning back then don't necessarily make sense in today's society. It is important for people to for themselves what is right and wrong instead of following an outdated book.

"God's" opinion of slavery was simply society's opinion on slavery at the time and has no relevance today.

You're forgetting that Jake already pointed out that the bible does not say God supports slavery, it merely provides rules about its use, which makes your major point moot.  It is a weak point, perhaps, but a point nonetheless.  Unless you can provide evidence that is stating otherwise?

@Cactus: I wasn't saying you were, I was merely making the clarification that I do not hold the viewpoint you are refuting directed towards Mystery.  I make no assumptions on "God's viewpoint" beyond what is reasonable to ascertain from evidence. 

My line that says: "I'd like to point out that I personally don't support that line of reasoning." 

more appropriately rephrases to: "I'd like to point out that I personally don't support that line of reasoning of Mystery's that you are arguing against."