Death.. Then what?

[Torch]

I'm also interested in the mindset of an Atheist. I know a lot of people that seem to be on a goal to enlighten the world from religion. What is the motive behind this? You should envy ignorance, because ignorance is bliss. if somebody believes in a false religion, but they're happy about it, they should be winners in an atheists book because at least they'll be happy before they drift off into nothingness when they die. Isn't that the only thing that really matters to an atheist? Being happy in the time they have and then death. Gaining knowledge shouldn't matter, because it's useless after death. Unless that knowledge leads you to happiness, in which case it's what you should strive for. But why let that knowledge invade on other people's harmony? Is it that even an Atheist tries to find meaning in ones own life? They try to tell themselves that the neurons being fired off after their own neurons finish existing really matters, and that by changing the course of neurons, they can actually make a difference.

First off, religeon causes more controversy and war than almost anything else. If people would be happy with others having different beliefs, then the ignorance of religion would be bliss. Unfortunately, this is not the case. An end to religion would do us all more good than bad. I'm okay with people living in ignorant bliss, I'm not okay with these same people causing war a and strife over these same ignorant beliefs.

As an atheist, I enjoy learning new things and developing an understanding of how the world works. I find it much more fun than having everything explained by a god controlling it all.

[ARTgames]

I may have taken what you said wrong. Many people use the argument that religion is simply an outlet that people go to because they're scared. I thought you were bringing up the same argument as evidence against religion, so I was replying in response to that. Sorry. 0_o. After doing nothing but defend religion lately, my senses are tuned to find danger lurking in every sentence... If you know what I mean  :P

thats ok. But i will say this brings something up. it does seem that in religion's that they follow the bible but they interrupt it differently.

Anyway, I think it's about time the Atheists go on the defense. So lets see here, what kind of crap can I pull up to make them squirm... How about the heat death of the universe. There is strong evidence out there that over time (this amount of time is really f****in long) the energy in the universe will equalize and cease to move. Well, that's a very simplistic explanation for it. Either way, this evidence brings forth to light the idea that the universe itself was created. It cannot have always existed because then it would have ended before the time we were created in a heat death.I'm also interested in the mindset of an Atheist. I know a lot of people that seem to be on a goal to enlighten the world from religion. What is the motive behind this? You should envy ignorance, because ignorance is bliss. if somebody believes in a false religion, but they're happy about it, they should be winners in an atheists book because at least they'll be happy before they drift off into nothingness when they die. Isn't that the only thing that really matters to an atheist? Being happy in the time they have and then death. Gaining knowledge shouldn't matter, because it's useless after death. Unless that knowledge leads you to happiness, in which case it's what you should strive for. But why let that knowledge invade on other people's harmony? Is it that even an Atheist tries to find meaning in ones own life? They try to tell themselves that the neurons being fired off after their own neurons finish existing really matters, and that by changing the course of neurons, they can actually make a difference.

Why should I care about any of you? You're simply matter. Chemicals and synapses acting in a way to act intelligently. Your entire personality is the result of a structure of atoms. The emotion you would feel if I called you a "poo pusher" isn't anything but your brain reacting to light waves that are transmitted to your eyes.

Now that you know your life doesn't matter, feel happy! For many atheists, the first step is pretending that their life does matter and then still holding strongly onto their contradictory beliefs.

more importantly

Why should I care about any of you?

That is a good question. Also why should we live in first place, or what is the meaning of life? Why are living things afraid of death? We think of are self's of what we are in this thing we call "conscious"? What really is conscious and what makes us and other animals have it? Or are we more than conscious and also all of these subliminal things we dont even know but affect us all the time?

Atheist like religion seems to be based off a lot of stuff that we also don't know anything about.

If anything its good to live because its fun and interesting (yeah its more than that but you get the idea) and that you can pass down info to your young. And that dieing not fun ether.

http://twit.tv/fib46 some research about conscious. seems early in dev

[krele]

I kinda agree with torch.

I believe there is some higher force that made everything, but I won't really live by the rules stated by church. I have my own opinion, and I can choose whether or not will I abide by them. I don't feel it being necessary now, but who knows... Maybe later in life I'll be sorry for saying this.

Something1 had to create something2, but then something1 had to be created by something0 and so on... That stated, it makes me think universe has ALWAYS existed, but it also means something had to be created from nothing. Like in: nothing had to create that something0 from previous example.

From my point of view, God exists, or it existed, but that force is gone now, and we maybe live without any control from higher force. That stated, if we destroy ourselves, it's highly possible "Earth" won't be recreated by the time new God/force exists (it will be created at some point, and infinite times, because time is infinite aswell).

Some of this may sound illogical to you, but please reply with your thoughts.

[Jake]

I'm also interested in the mindset of an Atheist. I know a lot of people that seem to be on a goal to enlighten the world from religion. What is the motive behind this? You should envy ignorance, because ignorance is bliss. if somebody believes in a false religion, but they're happy about it, they should be winners in an atheists book because at least they'll be happy before they drift off into nothingness when they die. Isn't that the only thing that really matters to an atheist? Being happy in the time they have and then death. Gaining knowledge shouldn't matter, because it's useless after death. Unless that knowledge leads you to happiness, in which case it's what you should strive for. But why let that knowledge invade on other people's harmony? Is it that even an Atheist tries to find meaning in ones own life? They try to tell themselves that the neurons being fired off after their own neurons finish existing really matters, and that by changing the course of neurons, they can actually make a difference.

First off, religeon causes more controversy and war than almost anything else. If people would be happy with others having different beliefs, then the ignorance of religion would be bliss. Unfortunately, this is not the case. An end to religion would do us all more good than bad. I'm okay with people living in ignorant bliss, I'm not okay with these same people causing war a and strife over these same ignorant beliefs.

As an atheist, I enjoy learning new things and developing an understanding of how the world works. I find it much more fun than having everything explained by a god controlling it all.

Religion does not cause war. People cause war. Whether religion exists or not, there will always be those crazy groups of people intent on bringing destruction to anything and everything peaceful. It's like saying that we should get rid of all guns in the world because they cause so much death. Doing so would only cause people to shift to a different weapon.

Are the people in this forum causing a war? Are we hurting others with our view points? Why then are you arguing with us over this? Go to the source of the problem. Should we get rid of the internet because some n00bs use it who really annoy people? No, we should get rid of the n00bs who contaminate it.

[Chaos]

I'm also interested in the mindset of an Atheist. I know a lot of people that seem to be on a goal to enlighten the world from religion. What is the motive behind this? You should envy ignorance, because ignorance is bliss. if somebody believes in a false religion, but they're happy about it, they should be winners in an atheists book because at least they'll be happy before they drift off into nothingness when they die. Isn't that the only thing that really matters to an atheist? Being happy in the time they have and then death. Gaining knowledge shouldn't matter, because it's useless after death. Unless that knowledge leads you to happiness, in which case it's what you should strive for. But why let that knowledge invade on other people's harmony? Is it that even an Atheist tries to find meaning in ones own life? They try to tell themselves that the neurons being fired off after their own neurons finish existing really matters, and that by changing the course of neurons, they can actually make a difference.

First off, religeon causes more controversy and war than almost anything else. If people would be happy with others having different beliefs, then the ignorance of religion would be bliss. Unfortunately, this is not the case. An end to religion would do us all more good than bad. I'm okay with people living in ignorant bliss, I'm not okay with these same people causing war a and strife over these same ignorant beliefs.

As an atheist, I enjoy learning new things and developing an understanding of how the world works. I find it much more fun than having everything explained by a god controlling it all.

Religion does not cause war. People cause war. Whether religion exists or not, there will always be those crazy groups of people intent on bringing destruction to anything and everything peaceful. It's like saying that we should get rid of all guns in the world because they cause so much death. Doing so would only cause people to shift to a different weapon.

Are the people in this forum causing a war? Are we hurting others with our view points? Why then are you arguing with us over this? Go to the source of the problem. Should we get rid of the internet because some n00bs use it who really annoy people? No, we should get rid of the n00bs who contaminate it.

Is this support of my view that we should execute all stupid people?   :P

[Torch]

I'm also interested in the mindset of an Atheist. I know a lot of people that seem to be on a goal to enlighten the world from religion. What is the motive behind this? You should envy ignorance, because ignorance is bliss. if somebody believes in a false religion, but they're happy about it, they should be winners in an atheists book because at least they'll be happy before they drift off into nothingness when they die. Isn't that the only thing that really matters to an atheist? Being happy in the time they have and then death. Gaining knowledge shouldn't matter, because it's useless after death. Unless that knowledge leads you to happiness, in which case it's what you should strive for. But why let that knowledge invade on other people's harmony? Is it that even an Atheist tries to find meaning in ones own life? They try to tell themselves that the neurons being fired off after their own neurons finish existing really matters, and that by changing the course of neurons, they can actually make a difference.

First off, religeon causes more controversy and war than almost anything else. If people would be happy with others having different beliefs, then the ignorance of religion would be bliss. Unfortunately, this is not the case. An end to religion would do us all more good than bad. I'm okay with people living in ignorant bliss, I'm not okay with these same people causing war a and strife over these same ignorant beliefs.

As an atheist, I enjoy learning new things and developing an understanding of how the world works. I find it much more fun than having everything explained by a god controlling it all.

Religion does not cause war. People cause war. Whether religion exists or not, there will always be those crazy groups of people intent on bringing destruction to anything and everything peaceful. It's like saying that we should get rid of all guns in the world because they cause so much death. Doing so would only cause people to shift to a different weapon.

Are the people in this forum causing a war? Are we hurting others with our view points? Why then are you arguing with us over this? Go to the source of the problem. Should we get rid of the internet because some n00bs use it who really annoy people? No, we should get rid of the n00bs who contaminate it.

But religion appeals to the stupid people who cause the destruction. Stupid people aren't bent on causing destruction, they're just easily manipulated and can't think for themselves. Most major religion teach that people who follow different faiths will be punished by god. People can be persuaded into punishing those of different faith this way.

Also, I'm pretty sure Genocide isn't the answer O_o.

When you have a sharp object that you don't want a small child to swallow, you keep the sharp object away from the child, you don't kill the child. If people are going to take religion and turn it into an excuse to cause destruction, you deal with the problem before it happens and don't teach them religion.

Lol @ Chaos' post.

[Jake]

The object is more like a baseball bat. It can be used to play baseball, or beat the shit out of people.

[Torch]

The object is more like a baseball bat. It can be used to play baseball, or beat the shit out of people.

And when people start to fight over who gets the baseball bat, the baseball bat gets taken away. Not because the baseball bat in itself is being used dangerously, but because it is the source of the fight.

[Jake]

The object is more like a baseball bat. It can be used to play baseball, or beat the shit out of people.

And when people start to fight over who gets the baseball bat, the baseball bat gets taken away. Not because the baseball bat in itself is being used dangerously, but because it is the source of the fight.

It gets taken away by a group of people who think they know whats best for everyone, when they're just as ignorant as the rest of the world.

Atheists sometimes like to put their beliefs on a pedestal higher than religious beliefs. They discredit religious people for imposing their beliefs on others, yet are guilty of it themselves. The fact that you want to get rid of religion means that you're assuming your beliefs to be correct, and cannot accept the fact that you could be wrong, which is one of your greatest weaknesses.

Your idea of getting rid of religion makes you no better than the people who want to convert the entire world to their own religion.

[Mystery]

The object is more like a baseball bat. It can be used to play baseball, or beat the shit out of people.

And when people start to fight over who gets the baseball bat, the baseball bat gets taken away. Not because the baseball bat in itself is being used dangerously, but because it is the source of the fight.

It gets taken away by a group of people who think they know whats best for everyone, when they're just as ignorant as the rest of the world.

Atheists sometimes like to put their beliefs on a pedestal higher than religious beliefs. They discredit religious people for imposing their beliefs on others, yet are guilty of it themselves. The fact that you want to get rid of religion means that you're assuming your beliefs to be correct, and cannot accept the fact that you could be wrong, which is one of your greatest weaknesses.

Your idea of getting rid of religion makes you no better than the people who want to convert the entire world to their own religion.

Oh, for God's sake.(It's an expression, I know I don't believe in the guy.) I myself never put my beliefs above others. I might have sounded a little cocky when I was debating, but I usually sound cocky so that's not applicable. I know I can be wrong, as several times I often am.  EVERY belief has some people who take it too far. I don't want to get rid of religion in the slightest. There's a lot of good in it. It teaches people morals, helps them to focus on what's important, and gives them hope. There's some good and some bad in everything. Well, ALMOST everything.

Believe in what you want. Hell, even believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster. I don't see a problem with it.  :P

[ARTgames]

I feel as if this topic is repeating its self now.

[Chaos]

The difference is there is generally evidence supporting the scientific approach.

Personally, I have no idea whether I'm right, but I'm certainly more inclined to lean towards the logic and science points towards.  :|

[Mystery]

I feel as if this topic is repeating its self now.

Which is why the discussion should probably stop. There's nothing really being added here.

[Jake]

The difference is there is generally evidence supporting the scientific approach.

Personally, I have no idea whether I'm right, but I'm certainly more inclined to lean towards the logic and science points towards.  :|

Evidence is based upon perception. Millions of Christians have self-evidence for their religion, but atheists don't count it as valid. Saying one has more than the other is different for each person.

[Chaos]

The difference is there is generally evidence supporting the scientific approach.

Personally, I have no idea whether I'm right, but I'm certainly more inclined to lean towards the logic and science points towards.  :|

Evidence is based upon perception. Millions of Christians have self-evidence for their religion, but atheists don't count it as valid. Saying one has more than the other is different for each person.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence