Death.. Then what?

[NotoriousM4^]

Since when did the subject of this topic change to "Bash Christianity"?

[Mr Pwnage]

People...let me clarify a couple things here. First, PLEASE stop posting: "This topic should be locked, it isn't going anywhere." ...or, "Just let this topic die." Just because you think it isn't going anywhere doesn't mean people aren't getting a kick out if it. You know how you decide if the topic isn't going anywhere? When people stop posting in it. Forums are naturally designed to have things dropped to the bottom. The only time you really lock stuff for topic is when somebody asks a direct, factual question, and it is answer with no more questions from the topic creator. This topic, on the other hand, is an OPEN ENDED QUESTION...so it dies when it dies...and if it gets to the point where it needs to be locked, let a mod decide that. Posting this same shit over and over again is down right annoying. If you have lost interest in a topic, leave.

And @ Notor (the above isn't directed at you btw, I am responding to your comment now:)

The topic didn't change at all. Conversations take weird twists and turns, and whatnot. But it is still very much linked to the topic at hand. Christianity is an argued point right now, because religion is a very common subject when you talk about "after death".

So far I am really enjoying people's views on this matter...
Here's a question I am wondering about people...do you believe in ghosts that still roam THIS EARTH? Just wondering. The even apparently have scientific cameras for it. So hmmm?

[Mystery]

So far I am really enjoying people's views on this matter...
Here's a question I am wondering about people...do you believe in ghosts that still roam THIS EARTH? Just wondering. The even apparently have scientific cameras for it. So hmmm?

Atheists and Christians alike, for the most part, share the same view point on this. And that viewpoint is NO. (Then again, we really don't know until death either...) I personally do not believe in ghosts, although that may have been influenced by my youth when I knew monsters and such didn't exist. Never believed in the Boogieman, vampires, Pedobear, whatever. I know that's not the same thing as what you're talking about, i just find it as ridiculous. Doubt everyone agrees with me, though.

[Torch]

The object is more like a baseball bat. It can be used to play baseball, or beat the shit out of people.

And when people start to fight over who gets the baseball bat, the baseball bat gets taken away. Not because the baseball bat in itself is being used dangerously, but because it is the source of the fight.

It gets taken away by a group of people who think they know whats best for everyone, when they're just as ignorant as the rest of the world.

Atheists sometimes like to put their beliefs on a pedestal higher than religious beliefs. They discredit religious people for imposing their beliefs on others, yet are guilty of it themselves. The fact that you want to get rid of religion means that you're assuming your beliefs to be correct, and cannot accept the fact that you could be wrong, which is one of your greatest weaknesses.

Your idea of getting rid of religion makes you no better than the people who want to convert the entire world to their own religion.

The difference being that atheists aren't fanatics that terrorize others for their beliefs. The point is that atheists would be happy to leave religion alone if religion wasn't causing so many problems for everyone. Religious people impose their beliefs upon others for no reason other than they believe it is a part of their religion to do so.

You can't ignore that religion causes many problems. The only plausible way to fix these problems that I see is to get rid of religion or at least not teach a person to believe in a specific religion.

The comment about atheists putting themselves on a higher pedestal than others can also be said for any religion. I don't believe that atheists do this any more than Christians or Muslims.

[Cactuscat222]

The object is more like a baseball bat. It can be used to play baseball, or beat the shit out of people.

And when people start to fight over who gets the baseball bat, the baseball bat gets taken away. Not because the baseball bat in itself is being used dangerously, but because it is the source of the fight.

It gets taken away by a group of people who think they know whats best for everyone, when they're just as ignorant as the rest of the world.

Atheists sometimes like to put their beliefs on a pedestal higher than religious beliefs. They discredit religious people for imposing their beliefs on others, yet are guilty of it themselves. The fact that you want to get rid of religion means that you're assuming your beliefs to be correct, and cannot accept the fact that you could be wrong, which is one of your greatest weaknesses.

Your idea of getting rid of religion makes you no better than the people who want to convert the entire world to their own religion.

The difference being that atheists aren't fanatics that terrorize others for their beliefs. The point is that atheists would be happy to leave religion alone if religion wasn't causing so many problems for everyone. Religious people impose their beliefs upon others for no reason other than they believe it is a part of their religion to do so.

You can't ignore that religion causes many problems. The only plausible way to fix these problems that I see is to get rid of religion or at least not teach a person to believe in a specific religion.

The comment about atheists putting themselves on a higher pedestal than others can also be said for any religion. I don't believe that atheists do this any more than Christians or Muslims.

It can't be said for any religion. There are many out there where they couldn't care less about others. The problems of religion today are few and far in between - I would say impacts outweigh costs. Getting rid of them, for one, is impossible, and two, there is no reason.

[Mr Pwnage]

So far I am really enjoying people's views on this matter...
Here's a question I am wondering about people...do you believe in ghosts that still roam THIS EARTH? Just wondering. The even apparently have scientific cameras for it. So hmmm?

Atheists and Christians alike, for the most part, share the same view point on this. And that viewpoint is NO. (Then again, we really don't know until death either...) I personally do not believe in ghosts, although that may have been influenced by my youth when I knew monsters and such didn't exist. Never believed in the Boogieman, vampires, Pedobear, whatever. I know that's not the same thing as what you're talking about, i just find it as ridiculous. Doubt everyone agrees with me, though.

I'm not really talking about superstitions like that...more like ghost like um...haunting more or less. Like if a whole family was brutally murdered in  a fire, their ghosts haunted the house they were burned in, etc. And it doesn't even have to be elaborate as that. Like maybe a ghost just goes back to a certain area when he was alive. And whats up with all these cameras that track ghosts? Are they all a big lie that many TV shows use? Are they legit in any way?

[Jake]

The difference being that atheists aren't fanatics that terrorize others for their beliefs.

Wrong. Sooo wrong.

The point is that atheists would be happy to leave religion alone if religion wasn't causing so many problems for everyone. Religious people impose their beliefs upon others for no reason other than they believe it is a part of their religion to do so.

Not true. Most Christians I know impose their beliefs because they care... Something I can't say the same about for atheism.

You can't ignore that religion causes many problems. The only plausible way to fix these problems that I see is to get rid of religion or at least not teach a person to believe in a specific religion.

Getting rid of religion is the strongest act of imposing one's beliefs that I can think of. You complain about religious people pressing their opinions on others when you're trying to say we should get rid of religion entirely! That is one of the most hypocritical statements I've ever seen.

The comment about atheists putting themselves on a higher pedestal than others can also be said for any religion. I don't believe that atheists do this any more than Christians or Muslims.

I agree.

[Chaos]

Since when did the subject of this topic change to "Bash Christianity"?

Since you decided to post here and state that as the subject of this topic, I would guess.

[NotoriousM4^]

Since when did the subject of this topic change to "Bash Christianity"?

Since you decided to post here and state that as the subject of this topic, I would guess.

Your too good  ;)

[Torch]

Wrong. Sooo wrong.

At least not to the extent that religious extremists do. I'm pretty sure there has never been a war over atheism.

Not true. Most Christians I know impose their beliefs because they care... Something I can't say the same about for atheism.

But in doing so, they create problems for others.

Getting rid of religion is the strongest act of imposing one's beliefs that I can think of. You complain about religious people pressing their opinions on others when you're trying to say we should get rid of religion entirely! That is one of the most hypocritical statements I've ever seen.

It's not so much "pressing opinions on others" as it is finding a way to prevent religious war and terrorism. The motive is completely different.

[Jake]

Wrong. Sooo wrong.

At least not to the extent that religious extremists do. I'm pretty sure there has never been a war over atheism.

And I would agree with that. The problem is, both groups are becoming increasingly volatile. There is a huge surge of hatred towards religious people that has sprung up in forums almost everywhere. Open mocking of people's beliefs is becoming more prevalent and acceptable. I find it common place to see people making fun of religion, and also the people who believe in that religion. I see much less religious people doing the same thing these days. Sure, you'll get an uncommon wacko that's telling everyone to repent or risk burning in hell, but that's very rare comparatively speaking.

Not true. Most Christians I know impose their beliefs because they care... Something I can't say the same about for atheism.

But in doing so, they create problems for others.

Could be argued the other way too. The one difference I see is that many Christians do it because of love for their neighbor, while I see most atheists trying to convert their neighbor out of selfish reasons, including (but not always) hatred. This doesn't happen in every scenario, but it's what I believe to be most common.

Getting rid of religion is the strongest act of imposing one's beliefs that I can think of. You complain about religious people pressing their opinions on others when you're trying to say we should get rid of religion entirely! That is one of the most hypocritical statements I've ever seen.

It's not so much "pressing opinions on others" as it is finding a way to prevent religious war and terrorism. The motive is completely different.

Exactly! A religious persons goal isn't to impose their beliefs on you, it's to open your eyes to eternal life. Your arguing points for atheism that go both ways.

[Mystery]

Exactly! A religious persons goal isn't to impose their beliefs on you, it's to open your eyes to eternal life. Your arguing points for atheism that go both ways.

Maybe some people don't WANT eternal life. Myself included. Doing anything would get boring eventually, and by that point you'd pretty much want to die and have it end. I know I would, and I certainly wouldn't want to be happy forever if it meant tending to God's every whim... Plus, death can be happy, even if it does end everything. Like it was said earlier here, some people are in constant pain throughout their lives. They aren't selfish enough to commit suicide, so they have to grin and bear it until death.

[Cactuscat222]

Exactly! A religious persons goal isn't to impose their beliefs on you, it's to open your eyes to eternal life. Your arguing points for atheism that go both ways.

Maybe some people don't WANT eternal life. Myself included. Doing anything would get boring eventually, and by that point you'd pretty much want to die and have it end. I know I would, and I certainly wouldn't want to be happy forever if it meant tending to God's every whim... Plus, death can be happy, even if it does end everything. Like it was said earlier here, some people are in constant pain throughout their lives. They aren't selfish enough to commit suicide, so they have to grin and bear it until death.

Then when you get bored, remove yourself? And that is only assuming you can do "anything and everything" in Heaven. The way I see it, it is a place to be eternally happy, and I don't see how you could say you wouldn't want it over just disappearing, because you would "get bored" - because in honesty, if you live to be over 90 years old, thats a REALLY LONG time, and I'm sure throughout that life you would be bored at periods (especially after you are really old), but that isn't reason enough for you to go "Oh meh, I'm bored, I'd rather just disappear."

And it doesn't require tending to "God's every whim".

[Mystery]

Exactly! A religious persons goal isn't to impose their beliefs on you, it's to open your eyes to eternal life. Your arguing points for atheism that go both ways.

Maybe some people don't WANT eternal life. Myself included. Doing anything would get boring eventually, and by that point you'd pretty much want to die and have it end. I know I would, and I certainly wouldn't want to be happy forever if it meant tending to God's every whim... Plus, death can be happy, even if it does end everything. Like it was said earlier here, some people are in constant pain throughout their lives. They aren't selfish enough to commit suicide, so they have to grin and bear it until death.

Then when you get bored, remove yourself? And that is only assuming you can do "anything and everything" in Heaven. The way I see it, it is a place to be eternally happy, and I don't see how you could say you wouldn't want it over just disappearing, because you would "get bored" - because in honesty, if you live to be over 90 years old, thats a REALLY LONG time, and I'm sure throughout that life you would be bored at periods (especially after you are really old), but that isn't reason enough for you to go "Oh meh, I'm bored, I'd rather just disappear."

And it doesn't require tending to "God's every whim".

You don't seem to understand just how long an eternity is. 90 years is nothing compared to it. Try multiplying a googleplex by a googleplex googleplex times. That's a ridiculously long number, and STILL nothing compared to an eternity. I guarantee you you'd get bored. I actually don't think you can be removed from Heaven after death if you want to, and if you do, where would you go?

[ARTgames]

You are both arguing about something you know nothing about. Just opinion of what it is.