Death.. Then what?

[Cactuscat222]

Oh... in a Theory of Knowledge class I attended the other day, we had a huge discussion on 'Knowing', and the 'Ways of Knowing' and all that and relativity...

We even came to the conclusion 2+2 does not always equal 4. D:

[Mystery]

Oh... in a Theory of Knowledge class I attended the other day, we had a huge discussion on 'Knowing', and the 'Ways of Knowing' and all that and relativity...

We even came to the conclusion 2+2 does not always equal 4. D:

Things like that are possible in certain ways of viewing it. Heck, 2+2=pumpkin is possible.

I'm feeling a little too sick to express my view points anymore tonight, but I pretty much agree 110% with this post. I have never considered you to be anti-theist, and I apologize if you felt that way.

Ah. That's fine. Glad to see someone agrees.

I'd personally like to applaud all who have remained civil in this discussion, as Chaos did earlier.  To explain how impressed I am with this, I use the following example:  I am part of a gaming guild / family who love being together and being so close together with everyone.  We go camping together, we game together, we drink together, yet we have to have an entirely different forum installation for political and religious discussion because a group averaging around the age of late 20's to early 30's get extremely offensive / defensive in conversations much more moot than this one.  To see an open community with the average age of much less be able to take in everyone of all religions and remain civil in a discussion regarding things that a lot of us hold near and dear to us (faith) is utterly amazing.

Well done!

You'd be surprised. People can be very civil when they want to.  ;)

[Torch]

It isn't like that. It's more like some people acknowledging that we don't know and not making assumptions, while others are blinded by the belief that they do know. Atheists are the people that see it as an unknown and use what they do know to try and figure it out. Religious people don't have the will to find out, so instead they just put their faith in whatever prophet or book attempts to give them the answer.

"what they do know" is just a commend shard opinion on what they proceeds the world as. now "what they do know" about the big questions is something "when really we "dont know" as a whole." But to them like Religious people they "call the other person wrong because to them it looks so clear."

And why it looks so clear to one person and not the other is the 2ed part of my post you did not quote. And "making assumptions" and "while others are blinded by the belief " is something that makes up that person and is why "Almost ever person get a different answer" to who they are and do.  

but you can "influence a person into thinking something close to your results."

Try asking your own questions with my post before posting. because most of the time i answered what people said. My post did not say whether religion or Atheists is the way to go but why they do exists.

My point was that they haven''t figured out anything. They believe it for no reason other than that noone else has completely figured it out. If you don't accept that you don't know, you'll never find out the real answer.

[ARTgames]

My point was that they haven''t figured out anything. They believe it for no reason other than that noone else has completely figured it out. If you don't accept that you don't know, you'll never find out the real answer.

My point is why do you think they think that? Is not about there philosophy for say but way dose it even exists. And why i think people are who they are is what said on the last page.

[Torch]

My point was that they haven''t figured out anything. They believe it for no reason other than that noone else has completely figured it out. If you don't accept that you don't know, you'll never find out the real answer.

My point is why do you think they think that?

Because under the right circumstances, human's will believe whatever they're told. As a child, your brain is trying to learn and will pick up on anything that you hear, whether it is true or not.

I couldn't understand the rest of your post, too much was lost in the translation.

[ARTgames]

Yes that can be a factor. Also what do you not understand?

[Torch]

Yes that can be a factor. Also what do you not understand?

This part: "Is not about there philosophy for say but way dose it even exists. And why i think people are who they are is what said on the last page."

[ARTgames]

ok ty. Why do they believe what they do?

[Torch]

ok ty. Why do they believe what they do?

Because under the right circumstances, human's will believe whatever they're told. As a child, your brain is trying to learn and will pick up on anything that you hear, whether it is true or not.

[ARTgames]

ok ty. Why do they believe what they do?

Because under the right circumstances, human's will believe whatever they're told. As a child, your brain is trying to learn and will pick up on anything that you hear, whether it is true or not.

Yes that can be a factor.

Ill stop here.

[Scotty]

As a child, your brain is trying to learn and will pick up on anything that you hear, whether it is true or not.

I was thinking this exact thing as I was reading over previous posts from the last couple of days.  The thing is, how many of you have defended your faiths, all the while, that faith that you are backing is the only faith you have ever followed?  I am one of those being a Catholic.  I know that what I believe (while corrupted and jacked at times, thank you perverted priests) is right because that is what I was brought up to believe.  My entire family (at least on my father's side, to include Meiun's father) was brought up Catholic as children, so we naturally lean towards that direction in faith.  I don't care to convert to Judaism, Islam, Baptist, etc... Because I have been brought up to believe that Catholicism is the correct route to go.  Regardless, I am curious how many have since converted to a different religion from what they were brought up as (if any).  Is there anyone?  I'd be interested to hear their story as to why, as that is always a good story to listen to!

I am somewhat similar to Lingus as he previously described.  I am Catholic by descent.  I haven't been faithful enough to keep up with my religion, and can't tell you how God would handle specific situations.  It's always intrigued me, as have all religions, but I am not strong enough in my faith to withstand a bombardment of questions.  My overall theory is: As long as I live a life free of regret, free of those moments where you sit there and say to yourself: "I shouldn't have done that", then my afterlife will be rewarding with endless booze and gratuitous triple-D breasts bathing me on command with all my friends and family there to cheer me on!

[ARTgames]

I haven't been faithful enough to keep up with my religion, and can't tell you how God would handle specific situations.  It's always intrigued me, as have all religions, but I am not strong enough in my faith to withstand a bombardment of questions. 

I think there is a lot of people like that. Some of the people here and a lot of people at my school are the same way. I think more and more this will happen.

[HamsterPants]

With deepest respect for your beliefs, why is it that you follow Mormonism? I'm only asking this because I am deeply interested in the reason for one's beliefs regarding religion (especially ones that I know little about).

I follow it because I beleive that it will lead me to salvation, I have been happy as long as I've done the things which I beleive are right, even if it's challenging and I can't be perfect, I'm happy, that is something that cannot be described, happiness is what we all, as human beings want, and I know that I have it. It's a feeling that strengthens your faith, the Holy Spirit, he confirms the truth in a way that you can rely on. I've studied the scriptures, and I ask God if they are true, and I have received an answer every time, and that is the only thing we encourage other people to do. We want to bring souls unto Christ.
And the reason I follow mormonism is because I want to return to Christ, with all my loved ones, and be happy for the rest of eternity. All that is required of me is to work with as much effort as I can expend until the end of my days, and though this may seem like alot, it is the least we can do for what Christ suffered for us. We have a fullness of the Gospel, while other Christian churches are incomplete, and they hate us, we are despised by the world, and we endure their persecution, and that makes us stronger.

I have a testimony that these things are true, because they are my life, they are all that I know, and I hope that you will find it useful.

Well, according to you, can't you do all that without still being mormon if everybody is going to be saved anyways?
And, exactly what "wickedness" did these black ancestors supposedly commit. And if your God is so forgiving why is it right for him to punish them because of something their ancestors had done? And if they are black because of what their ancestors did doesn't that make the actual ancestors who committed these acts white? I also don't see how having skin of color is a "curse".

I don't know a whole lot about the matter of color, but I do know that being cursed is a good thing, because it means that you are a strong character that needs greater challanges in order to be equal to all other human beings. And you are not being punished for their mistakes, but your curse is their punishment, because they will look upon their their seed, and feel terrible guilt for what they caused for their descendants, causing them to turn inward on themselves in sorrow, that is the equivalent of hell, it is as much as you knowingly put on yourself witout trying to fix the problem.

But I honestly don't know much about the things which you have asked me, I will have to ask you to allow me some time to study and reflect until I have the answers to your questions.

So your saying black people aren't equal with other human beings?  
:-\ That sounds a tad bit... racist?

I had to quote this, because it seems you misunderstood what I said. What I was saying was that, before we are born, as spirits, there are no colored people, there is only a greater amount of righteousness, what I was saying is that you are a more valiant spirit than I am, so you require greater challenges in life to be brought down to my level. Spiritually, race does not matter at all, and the reason why I don't know much about it is because I care so little about color that I never really talk about it. I've never met anyone in my releigion than does care about color, and there are plenty of colored people within the religion.

I'd personally like to applaud all who have remained civil in this discussion, as Chaos did earlier.  To explain how impressed I am with this, I use the following example:  I am part of a gaming guild / family who love being together and being so close together with everyone.  We go camping together, we game together, we drink together, yet we have to have an entirely different forum installation for political and religious discussion because a group averaging around the age of late 20's to early 30's get extremely offensive / defensive in conversations much more moot than this one.  To see an open community with the average age of much less be able to take in everyone of all religions and remain civil in a discussion regarding things that a lot of us hold near and dear to us (faith) is utterly amazing.

Well done!

And to add a bit of comic relief, I have a funny story.

Some years ago we had some Mormon girls come round to our barracks rooms trying to do their recruiting.  They were wearing the typical attire that Mormon school-girls wear.  The main girl talking was meh as far as appearances, but her friend was drop dead gorgeous.  One was talking, but my attention was fixed on the other.  Fixed so much that I don't even really recall what they were saying.  When I finally snapped to after an abrupt "Excuse me..."  I looked back at the girl talking and replied with something along the lines of "Oh, I'm sorry, no thank you, have a nice day."  They smiled and I went to shut the door as they turned to go to the next room, but then something clicked.  I swung the door back open and said "Oh, excuse me, I was curious..."  They turned back around and faced me and I said "Aren't I allowed to marry both of you and all your friends if I convert?"  The girl who did all the talking retorted back with something how that isn't allowed anymore, yadayadayada, but her cute friend was standing their smiling.  I almost took them up on their offer!

Now that I probably offended Hamsterpants with that (and for that, please understand that was sarcasm, meant for a good laugh, which others found it to be aftewards), I am going to go eat some num-nums!

You didn't offend me, for the record, I dont get offended, ever. I actually thought that was a rather hilarious story, but I will confirm the fact that we do not beleive in poligamy, there is that one church that broke off from us because they do, and I feel sorry for those people.

[Lingus]

As a child, your brain is trying to learn and will pick up on anything that you hear, whether it is true or not.

...I am curious how many have since converted to a different religion from what they were brought up as (if any).  Is there anyone?  I'd be interested to hear their story as to why, as that is always a good story to listen to!

I've heard of plenty of people converting to different religions... Most of the time it is to convert to their significant other's religion, not necessarily because they believe in it. But I'm sure there are plenty who do that as well.

To continue with Arts discussion about the difference between faith in God and first hand experience of physical evidence, I'll quote this:

Oh... in a Theory of Knowledge class I attended the other day, we had a huge discussion on 'Knowing', and the 'Ways of Knowing' and all that and relativity...

We even came to the conclusion 2+2 does not always equal 4. D:

I understand that it's possible that everything we know about our Universe could all be an illusion, but even if it is we still have to operate within the bounds of this physical Universe. So it is the same thing as it being real.

On the other hand, we have no evidence whatsoever of God. Being able to see, touch, feel, smell, etc an object in our Universe is completely different than having a "feeling" that God loves you (or w/e). You can say that that feeling is imagined... you can also say that your senses of the object is imagined as well, but there are much more real ramifications of that. If you are hit over the head with that object, is the pain imagined? If you bleed to death because of it, doesn't that change things?

Do you see how there is a clear difference?

[ARTgames]

Im basically saying that ever one is different and this is why people bleave in all these different things.