Homophobia

[Scotty]

Going along with the depressingly over-analyzed topics we seem to be finding interest in, here's one that's sure to get people riled up!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ANL2pHgJD0

[Yankyal]

2:10 - 2:40 is the only part of the video i watched and i must say 10/10 video scotty.

edit: ok I watched the rest. the first guy seems to be of the opinion that homosexuality is not a choice but genetics. I think it is both genetics and environment that lead to homosexuality.

As for homophobia, I think anyone against homosexuality is a douchebag.  It's not like being against Twilight or somthing, because that's your opinion. I put it on the same level as hating someone for their skin color. However, just because they're a douchebag doesn't mean I will rant to them about it, they are free to be assholes in their own minds. Homophobia is only a problem when they act on it.

[ARTgames]

Going along with the depressingly.....

But the last one was about happy. :P

...over-analyzed topics we seem to be finding interest in, here's one that's sure to get people riled up!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ANL2pHgJD0

Oh, are the gay wars back on so forums?

[stick d00d]

I don't condone nor hate on someone for their choices. I don't agree with homosexuality or lesbianism but I won't go around bashing on people for who they want to be with. Live and let live. The only thing that grosses me out is public affection(not just a hug or kiss on the cheek). Whether it be 2 guys or a guy and a girl making out in public, it's just wrong.

[Jesus7]

Eh, there is a difference between homophobic people and people that just hate homosexuals. Homophobic people can't really help it any more than say someone who was arachnophobic. Its just something that's ingrained into their minds.

[Hikarikuen]

I'm kind of against the whole term "homophobia." I know a lot of people who are against homosexual behavior, but they aren't necessarily afraid of gays, nor do they automatically hate them. Making that assumption is comparable to assuming that someone who is against underage drinking would automatically hate their kid if the kid got caught drinking. The issue is the act, not the person.

[Scotty]

I'll issue a challenge to everyone who finds this worth deliberation:

I would like to hear one valid reason why gay marriage should not be allowed.  The catch is that you cannot use religion as the justification.  Seems most of the bible freaks around here like to denounce the old testament, saying that Jesus came along to white-out all the outrageous claims that the old testament had (adultery = death, homosexuality = evil, rape = marriage, etc...), so you cannot use religious scriptures as a reason.  Can anyone name one good reason why we should outlaw gay marriage?

Guess I'm feeling perky after my state's senate decided to allow gay marriage, I'm curious as to why it took so long.

[ARTgames]

I can't.

[stick d00d]

I'll issue a challenge to everyone who finds this worth deliberation:

I would like to hear one valid reason why gay marriage should not be allowed.  The catch is that you cannot use religion as the justification.  Seems most of the bible freaks around here like to denounce the old testament, saying that Jesus came along to white-out all the outrageous claims that the old testament had (adultery = death, homosexuality = evil, rape = marriage, etc...), so you cannot use religious scriptures as a reason.  Can anyone name one good reason why we should outlaw gay marriage?

Guess I'm feeling perky after my state's senate decided to allow gay marriage, I'm curious as to why it took so long.

I think most people that oppose it are brought up in a traditional family with a man and woman married. Men and women can produce children together, not artificially, and this I think is one of the strongest points people raise against it. If people were meant to be gay, they would naturally be able to have children together. Like I said I'm not for or against it, basically just neutral. It doesn't affect me personally so why should I care if a guy wants to marry a guy or girl marry a girl.. It's pretty pointless to protest against.

[Scotty]

I'll issue a challenge to everyone who finds this worth deliberation:

I would like to hear one valid reason why gay marriage should not be allowed.  The catch is that you cannot use religion as the justification.  Seems most of the bible freaks around here like to denounce the old testament, saying that Jesus came along to white-out all the outrageous claims that the old testament had (adultery = death, homosexuality = evil, rape = marriage, etc...), so you cannot use religious scriptures as a reason.  Can anyone name one good reason why we should outlaw gay marriage?

Guess I'm feeling perky after my state's senate decided to allow gay marriage, I'm curious as to why it took so long.

I think most people that oppose it are brought up in a traditional family with a man and woman married. Men and women can produce children together, not artificially, and this I think is one of the strongest points people raise against it. If people were meant to be gay, they would naturally be able to have children together. Like I said I'm not for or against it, basically just neutral. It doesn't affect me personally so why should I care if a guy wants to marry a guy or girl marry a girl.. It's pretty pointless to protest against.

I'd hardly call it "strong".  Maybe bigoted, but not strong.  When they are so opinionated that they feel they have to oppress their beliefs and morals on others just because they feel different about it than others, that's bigoted. 

I find it similar to Jessica Watson's attempt at circumventing the world in a sailboat.  Everyone thought they knew everything about parenting and sailing, saying she wasn't qualified to do it.  That she was too young.  They labeled her parents as awful for even allowing their 16 year old to do the trip by herself.  They tried hard to bar her from going, and had absolutely no right to do so.  All of a sudden, they feel that they are the experts on parenting, and sailing, when they don't know dick about it.  At 16, this girl had more experience and knowledge about sailing than anyone who thought they were qualified to open their mouths.  Heck, she has more experience coming from her family than almost any sailor in existence. 

I view bigoted anti-gay folks the exact same way.  Just because they consider themselves the experts in the definition of the term marriage, through all their divorces, and children who grow up to be lousy slops, they're definitely qualified how to tell others to be happy and who to spend their lives with.

[stick d00d]

By 'strongest' i just meant like the main reason most people are against it. Marriage shouldn't be discriminated against, just like race, religion, etc. How can you tell other people what to believe in and wrong from right? It just causes more hate and unnecessary bullshit.

[Lingus]

I find it similar to Jessica Watson's attempt at circumventing the world in a sailboat.  Everyone thought they knew everything about parenting and sailing, saying she wasn't qualified to do it.  That she was too young.  They labeled her parents as awful for even allowing their 16 year old to do the trip by herself.  They tried hard to bar her from going, and had absolutely no right to do so.  All of a sudden, they feel that they are the experts on parenting, and sailing, when they don't know dick about it.  At 16, this girl had more experience and knowledge about sailing than anyone who thought they were qualified to open their mouths.  Heck, she has more experience coming from her family than almost any sailor in existence.

I actually think that's a horrible analogy. You think people who are against homosexuality are the same as people who are against allowing a 16 year old girl sail around the world by herself? You see how there's a difference right? On the one hand, you have people attempting to live their lives the way they see fit, without harming either themselves or anyone else. On the other, you have a young girl who wants to put herself in potential danger (regardless of how experienced anyone is, or what age they are, sailing that far on your own is dangerous) and her parents allowing her. It's different...

[Jake]

What really annoys me is that homophobes won't bat an eye at hundreds of celebrities that have 15 divorces under their belt, or straight couples that get married on a whim and don't even truly love each other, but God forbid one gay couple that actually does love their partner have the same benefits that straight couples get.

This doesn't necessarily apply to other countries, but in America, the constitution specifically declares all people to be equal. If all people are created equal, judging people based on their sex is unconstitutional. I don't see how that's hard to understand.

[Hikarikuen]

I'll issue a challenge to everyone who finds this worth deliberation:

I would like to hear one valid reason why gay marriage should not be allowed.  The catch is that you cannot use religion as the justification.  Seems most of the bible freaks around here like to denounce the old testament, saying that Jesus came along to white-out all the outrageous claims that the old testament had (adultery = death, homosexuality = evil, rape = marriage, etc...), so you cannot use religious scriptures as a reason.  Can anyone name one good reason why we should outlaw gay marriage?

Guess I'm feeling perky after my state's senate decided to allow gay marriage, I'm curious as to why it took so long.

Meh, just found this with some quick Googling. It's from 2001 and on a Christian site but it does cite sources, so I guess it gives us something to discuss.

[Yankyal]

Marriage is recognized by the government(tax breaks and such). Gay marriage is prohibited on the grounds that marriage is a religious ceremony that must be kept the way it is. The government is promoting religious values, the government is disregarding Separation of Church and State.

That's how I've always seen it.