I've got hemorrhoids...

[Scotty]

i never read trogdors posts always too long

Yes, we're well aware that over half of the community here has the attention span of a flying squirrel, and if it doesn't hit you in the head with the force of a Louisville slugger, you won't feel it.

I can understand where Trogdor is coming from, but I as well have to side with Lingus.  Not everything can be fought off by the human body.  Do I recommend reaching for some cold medicine when you get the cold?  Absolutely not.  I've had some terrible colds where the congestion was so bad that if I looked to far in any direction my head would ache, or I couldn't turn my head else it would feel like a spike was being hammered through my temples.  I knew that if I let it go and just do my best to not infect anyone else, my body would  build an immunity towards it, thus making me less prone to it for longer than if I relied on medication.

Cancer, good luck fighting that off by yourself, or a broken arm, or even Hemorrhoids.  Sure, you might be able to suppress it, but I would highly recommend ending that as quick as possible, as there is no doubt it is painful.  But to treat every single minor illness through popping pills is a bit too expensive and yes, it may be counter-intuitive to your body's natural capability to fight off mediocre illness.  Know your limits, and when to get help.

[Jake]

The thing with cancer, Trogdor, is that there are hundreds of different causes for it. Simply changing your diet to less acidic foods might lower your chances of getting a few specific forms of cancer, but it is by no means a cure. For example, breast cancer is often times fueled by too much estrogen in the body. Does that mean every woman is simply lazy because they've got an abundance of estrogen in their bodies? No, because most of the time it's encouraged.

I agree with what you're saying to an extent, similar to how Scotty agrees with you. It is important for the body to fight things off on it's own. The difference between most diseases and cancer though, is that cancer is a mutation. The body itself becomes the weapon and it attacks itself.

I'm not denying that people can do things to help their body fight the cancer once they find out they have it. In cases of Breast cancer, it means cutting down on soy based products and a few other things. Sadly, one's diet can only go so far.

[Seifer]

i never read trogdors posts always too long

Yes, we're well aware that over half of the community here has the attention span of a flying squirrel, and if it doesn't hit you in the head with the force of a Louisville slugger, you won't feel it.

I can understand where Trogdor is coming from, but I as well have to side with Lingus.  Not everything can be fought off by the human body.  Do I recommend reaching for some cold medicine when you get the cold?  Absolutely not.  I've had some terrible colds where the congestion was so bad that if I looked to far in any direction my head would ache, or I couldn't turn my head else it would feel like a spike was being hammered through my temples.  I knew that if I let it go and just do my best to not infect anyone else, my body would  build an immunity towards it, thus making me less prone to it for longer than if I relied on medication.

Cancer, good luck fighting that off by yourself, or a broken arm, or even Hemorrhoids.  Sure, you might be able to suppress it, but I would highly recommend ending that as quick as possible, as there is no doubt it is painful.  But to treat every single minor illness through popping pills is a bit too expensive and yes, it may be counter-intuitive to your body's natural capability to fight off mediocre illness.  Know your limits, and when to get help.

I've always kept this same mentality. I've let my body fight off everything. I rarely ever use medicine. In the past 4-5 years I've had maybe 2 colds and that's IT. I don't get sick. I see people around me getting sick all the time but it just does not happen to me. I've built up an immunity.

And folks, it's going to get really bad for the next generation. All the young ones these days are so pampered by their parents, what with this anti-bacterial hand lotions and all the coddling, i foresee a future where sick days are much more common place.

Oh, and side note. I've always disliked that people can't take the time to read a decent sized post. Your on a message board for christ sakes, talking about hemmeroids! Obviously you have nothing better to do, so why cant you take an extra minute to read the post?

[Chaos]

@Seifer:  BECUZ THERE ST00PID!

@Scotty and Lingus:  I find it funny you keep bringing up broken bones, considering the body is the ONLY thing that can fix that. lulz.

[Scotty]

@Scotty and Lingus:  I find it funny you keep bringing up broken bones, considering the body is the ONLY thing that can fix that. lulz.

Lemme take a crack at your femur with a sledge hammer, then we'll cordon you off from the rest of the world for a year.  During that time, you aren't allowed to touch your leg, you have to let your body fix it.  No resetting the bone, no painkillers, nothing.  Don't worry though, your body is the only solution to fixing it right?

[EpicPhailure]

How about we have a debate topic instead of stealing others.

[Scotty]

How about we have a debate topic instead of stealing others.

Because debating in a topic about hemorrhoids is the only way we can keep ourselves from laughing hysterically at someone else misfortune.  Stay "on topic" now.

[Chaos]

@Scotty and Lingus:  I find it funny you keep bringing up broken bones, considering the body is the ONLY thing that can fix that. lulz.

Lemme take a crack at your femur with a sledge hammer, then we'll cordon you off from the rest of the world for a year.  During that time, you aren't allowed to touch your leg, you have to let your body fix it.  No resetting the bone, no painkillers, nothing.  Don't worry though, your body is the only solution to fixing it right?

Wow, that is the weakest load of bollocks I've ever heard you spout.  Yes, your body IS the only solution to fixing it.  I want you to provide me with ANY doctor that can fix a broken bone.  As a matter of fact, I could bet you a million dollars that you'll never find one.  I don't have a million dollars, sure, but that really doesn't matter, cause I will never owe you a cent.

A doctor can diagnose a broken bone.  A doctor can make sure you don't move the broken bone.  There is no medicine in existence that can fix one.

YOU LOSE.  GOOD DAY, SIR.

EDIT:  Incidentally, I just want to clarify, I am inclined to agree with Trogdor, to a certain extent.  Not EVERYTHING can be fixed by your body; however, you must realize, humans have lived for thousands of years.  Our minds and bodies are designed and programmed specifically to keep ourselves alive.  Additionally, drug companies aren't interested in your well-being.  Like all companies, what they want is your wallet, and to get it, they'll gladly keep pushing out drugs for you to buy.

However, I do believe medicine has plenty of value, as well.  Vaccines, for example, are weaker versions of a disease, specifically given to people for them to BUILD an immunity.  Touching on the broken bones thing again, while they can't FIX the bone, they can make sure you can't move it so that it heals properly.  As Jake said, cancer is a mutation.  Like computers, your body can malfunction. 

I'll just finish with this link to an article I read a while back.  You'll all probably find it fairly interesting:

http://www.wired.com/medtech/drugs/magazine/17-09/ff_placebo_effect?currentPage=all

While medicine has value, don't underestimate the power of your body.  :/

[Lingus]

@Scotty and Lingus:  I find it funny you keep bringing up broken bones, considering the body is the ONLY thing that can fix that. lulz.

Lemme take a crack at your femur with a sledge hammer, then we'll cordon you off from the rest of the world for a year.  During that time, you aren't allowed to touch your leg, you have to let your body fix it.  No resetting the bone, no painkillers, nothing.  Don't worry though, your body is the only solution to fixing it right?

Wow, that is the weakest load of bollocks I've ever heard you spout.  Yes, your body IS the only solution to fixing it.  I want you to provide me with ANY doctor that can fix a broken bone.  As a matter of fact, I could bet you a million dollars that you'll never find one.  I don't have a million dollars, sure, but that really doesn't matter, cause I will never owe you a cent.

A doctor can diagnose a broken bone.  A doctor can make sure you don't move the broken bone.  There is no medicine in existence that can fix one.

YOU LOSE.  GOOD DAY, SIR.

One word: gangrene. Break a bone bad enough, leave it without any intervention whatsoever, and you will die from gangrene. You need to have the bone set. You may even need antibiotics if it broke the skin. Which is another good point. If you get an infection and leave it, you could die from it. You need antiobiotics to kill the infection. You can't rely on your body to fix everything. Anyways, my point in bringing up broken bones is that you need some kind of intervention. My point was never that you need medicine in every case. But you can't just let your body fix itself. There is some kind of treatment that needs to be done most of the time, even if that treatment is setting the bone. No medicine involved, but the body was not going to do it all by itself.

And with cancer, the point is the body is causing itself harm. It is exactly the opposite of what Trogdor is saying. I agree with Jake here that cancer is a genetic mutation. It is the body killing itself. So sometimes this instinctual, natural, built-in healing effect you are talking about is reversed. Yes, the human body has been evolving for thousands of years to get to this point, but that does not make it immune to mutations. Species survive for millions of years before dying out. Just because our species is alive now does not mean it is the ultimate model for indestructibility.

Anyways, I'm repeating what has been said by most of us. Again, it sounds like we're all agreeing with eachother actually. Just saying it in different ways. Or maybe we each have slightly varying ideas of what the truth is. I think we can all agree that the body has the ability to heal itself to a certain extent, but past that extent it needs some form of assitance if not in the healing, then in the comfort of the individual while the healing takes place.

Btw, I don't think taking cold medicine has anything to do with how you build immunity. Cold medicine just deals with the symptoms of a cold. Your body still has to fight off the virus. You just don't feel the pain/discomfort as much while the body is fighting off the virus. One place a similar concept will NOT help is with pain killers. The idea is that if you can't feel how much pain you are in you may do something to hurt yourself further. Like if your arm is broken, but you can't tell how much it hurts when you move it you are likely to move it in such a way to further injure the broken bone. So I would be okay with taking cold medicine, but would take it easy on pain killers with a serious injury.

[Chaos]

Did you really just spend 40+ minutes writing a response, or not bother to read my edit?  <_<

[Jake]

Did you really just spend 40+ minutes writing a response, or not bother to read my edit?  <_<

LMAO!

Lingus, Chaos isn't saying that the body doesn't need intervention in the case of a broken bone. I think we can all safely agree that it's important for doctors to help us under these circumstances. He's simply saying that the body is the only thing that can mend a broken bone. Anything that doctors do is only encouraging the healing process and stopping infections from spreading in the mean time.

[Trogdor]

I've read through everyone's posts, and all seem to have the same dissenting opinion over the complete abstinence of medication. I would like to emphasize that medication does have its place in the world, however it would be much more beneficial to give your body a chance to fight off a disease on its own. If there is no possible way to cure a disease, or if it's a matter between life and death, then take as much medicine as you'd like. The whole point of my previous post was to demonstrate to you all how a simple change in your lifestyle (this time being a change in diet) could drastically lower your chances of getting cancer. If there is a non-medicative alternative to the prevention of cancer, the very disease that's stumped scientists for centuries, then surely there are other alternative ways to allow your body to fight its own battles.

The thing with cancer, Trogdor, is that there are hundreds of different causes for it. Simply changing your diet to less acidic foods might lower your chances of getting a few specific forms of cancer, but it is by no means a cure.

I don't believe I ever implied a change in diet could cure cancer, and if I did I'm sorry for the incorrect wording. However, despite cancer having a myriad of different causes, there is still a central cause that relates to all forms of cancer:

"Cancer, above all other diseases, has countless secondary causes. But, even for cancer, there is only one prime cause. Summarized in a few words, the prime cause of cancer is the replacement of the respiration of oxygen in normal body cells by a fermentation of sugar."

Scientists today still acknowledge this phenomenon as an underlying theme of cancer, and may be utilized in the development of anticancer drugs. The fact that cancer cells do switch to glycolysis and are in themselves acidic only further proves Dr. Warburg's point over a hundred years ago.

And with cancer, the point is the body is causing itself harm. It is exactly the opposite of what Trogdor is saying.

I'm not entirely sure what you mean by this. The only way the body knows how to deal with cancer is by harming itself, which is part of the healing. There is no known way to kill cancer without a part of the body becoming damaged as a result, be it radiation treatment, chemotherapy, or allowing your body deal with it.

Anyways, I think we're all playing the devil's advocate here by using cancer as a platform to debate the healing properties of the body (or lack thereof). Cancer has been and still is a heated topic in the medical and scientific community, people throwing out treatment methods left and right, telling you what to do and what not to do (Dr. Warburg is a great example of this, it's largely up to which scientist you're going to believe). Since cancer is largely a gray area, all we will get are conflicting opinions on how to best treat it.

What this all ties into is the best treatment method for hemorrhoids, not cancer. Cancer may be one of the uncurable or untreatable things your body comes across, but that obviously does not mean other more common diseases can't be treated by the body. What I told GIS in my first post was to allow his body a fair chance at dealing with the hemorrhoids, and unless the pain becomes unendurable, use the cream. The veins in and/or around his anus are inflamed for a reason (a.k.a. the body knows what it's doing) so allow it to run its course. It's staggering to believe a simple bit of advice turned this topic into a heated debate, though I always welcome one as I love hearing other people's view on certain topics.

I have to agree with Lingus about all of us agreeing on the same thing, to a certain extent. The only bone of contention that differed among us was cancer (speaking of which, now I see we're getting on the topic of broken bones). I think this post is long enough without my stance on broken bones, so I'll throw in my two cents as the topic progresses. Speaking of long posts, I actually lol'd at this:

i never read trogdors posts always too long

[God-I-Suck]

Update! About 90% of my pain is gone! It only hurts after doing #2 now, and it doesn't bleed even close to as much it did. Thanks for the support all , I couldn't have done it without you guys! (I probably could, but it helped :D )

[Looperpuck]

Well...Glad to hear that GIS. Hopefully soon it will be gone completely.

~Looperpuck

[Chaos]

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