violence in media

[Seifer]

Seeing violence really doesn't have such an effect on people as conservatives try to get across. You don't play a violent game and than feel an urge to go people. You know that it's just a game, and you know it's morally wrong to kill. Those that are going to kill or steal will anyways, without the help of games/media. Those who wont, wont. It's always bugged me when someone does some sort of crime, and than the media points at the fact that they play WoW/Halo or w/e excessively and that it must be the cause. More than likely, the real issue is said kid is already really crazy and just has an obsession.

[Lingus]

Nudity/sexual content would be included in that. It's not okay for kids of a certain age to watch that.

Why's that?

I don't want anyone to get me wrong, I'm not encouraging ANY form of censorship.  Frankly, when I have children, I'm not going to 'protect' them from seeing nudity, sex, violence, etc.  Instead, I'm going to actually do my JOB as a parent and explain these things in a mature, scientific way.  In my opinion, hiding knowledge from others is one of the worst things you can do.  Mind you, I'm not going to go out of my way to show these things to my children, but when they do come across them, I will explain in full.

So you would show a 2 year old kid a porn video, or a video of people being mutilated? I'm just saying there's limits. I would make sure that as the child grows that they are only exposed to things I feel they are able to process. You can't show a 2 year old kid a video of people having anal sex and then explain it to them and then they're okay with it. No amount of explanation will work on a 2 year old. They see what they see and they process it how they process it.

By the way I speak from experience here. I was about 18 when my younger brother was 2. I went through the experience of trying to reason with a 2 year old (I wasn't explaining porn to him... but any kind of reasoning or logic is what I'm referring to). It just doesn't work. Their thought process is different at that stage.

Anyways, Chaos, I kind of agree with you, but only to a certain level. I would have to judge if the child was ready to even experience the given content before showing it to them, or allowing them to see it. At which point, yes, I would try my best to make sure they understand what they are seeing and that they can adjust to this new experience. I know well enough that teenagers are going to want to watch porn and/or violent movies. I'm not going to stop them at that age.

[Jake]

In my opinion, hiding knowledge from others is one of the worst things you can do.

I bet you're gonna tell them Santa Claus isn't real, aren't you?... Asshole!

[Chaos]

Nudity/sexual content would be included in that. It's not okay for kids of a certain age to watch that.

Why's that?

I don't want anyone to get me wrong, I'm not encouraging ANY form of censorship.  Frankly, when I have children, I'm not going to 'protect' them from seeing nudity, sex, violence, etc.  Instead, I'm going to actually do my JOB as a parent and explain these things in a mature, scientific way.  In my opinion, hiding knowledge from others is one of the worst things you can do.  Mind you, I'm not going to go out of my way to show these things to my children, but when they do come across them, I will explain in full.

So you would show a 2 year old kid a porn video, or a video of people being mutilated? I'm just saying there's limits. I would make sure that as the child grows that they are only exposed to things I feel they are able to process. You can't show a 2 year old kid a video of people having anal sex and then explain it to them and then they're okay with it. No amount of explanation will work on a 2 year old. They see what they see and they process it how they process it.

By the way I speak from experience here. I was about 18 when my younger brother was 2. I went through the experience of trying to reason with a 2 year old (I wasn't explaining porn to him... but any kind of reasoning or logic is what I'm referring to). It just doesn't work. Their thought process is different at that stage.

Anyways, Chaos, I kind of agree with you, but only to a certain level. I would have to judge if the child was ready to even experience the given content before showing it to them, or allowing them to see it. At which point, yes, I would try my best to make sure they understand what they are seeing and that they can adjust to this new experience. I know well enough that teenagers are going to want to watch porn and/or violent movies. I'm not going to stop them at that age.

Reread my post.  Specifically, the last sentence.

In what situation, precisely, are you proposing that a 2 year old is going to stumble upon a porn video, or a video of a kid being mutilated? 

[Lucifer]

Seeing violence really doesn't have such an effect on people as conservatives try to get across. You don't play a violent game and than feel an urge to go people. You know that it's just a game, and you know it's morally wrong to kill. Those that are going to kill or steal will anyways, without the help of games/media. Those who wont, wont. It's always bugged me when someone does some sort of crime, and than the media points at the fact that they play WoW/Halo or w/e excessively and that it must be the cause. More than likely, the real issue is said kid is already really crazy and just has an obsession.

Pfft, I don't know about you, but hours of grand theft auto has certainly changed what I think about when we're driving down the street and I see pedestrians crossing. I would agree that when crimes are committed, violence in media shouldn't be tied directly, but you can't say it isn't tied at all. After a while of constantly seeing violence, you get used to it, it doesn't seem like such a big deal to you, and when you're suddenly given a choice to commit such violence, your chances of doing so are definitely increased. Say your friend hands you a gun and says we're going to rob a gas station. Right then and there, with all those choices and consequences running through your head, the fact that violence doesn't bother you Could change your decision. It doesn't mean it will, and it doesn't mean playing violent video games makes you a violent person, but you can't cancel it out as a factor.

[Scotty]

Does anyone besides me (and Jake, as his post was trying to convey) find the HUGE irony in the fact that we have movies, games, and even television for all to see with massive amounts of blood, violence, and gore, but if you so much as have a woman's nipple, you're demonized.  God forbid you show SEX.

That sort of relates to my theory, there is death and killing going on around the world.  Hell, as you read that sentence, someone just died by unnatural causes, likely caused by someone else, and there was plenty of exposure.  Hell, there are men and women fight across these seas for your F'N FREEDOM and you CAN'T WHIP OUT A TIT!?!  I've earned my right to demand that of any woman I happen to walk by!

[Seifer]

Seeing violence really doesn't have such an effect on people as conservatives try to get across. You don't play a violent game and than feel an urge to go people. You know that it's just a game, and you know it's morally wrong to kill. Those that are going to kill or steal will anyways, without the help of games/media. Those who wont, wont. It's always bugged me when someone does some sort of crime, and than the media points at the fact that they play WoW/Halo or w/e excessively and that it must be the cause. More than likely, the real issue is said kid is already really crazy and just has an obsession.

Pfft, I don't know about you, but hours of grand theft auto has certainly changed what I think about when we're driving down the street and I see pedestrians crossing. I would agree that when crimes are committed, violence in media shouldn't be tied directly, but you can't say it isn't tied at all. After a while of constantly seeing violence, you get used to it, it doesn't seem like such a big deal to you, and when you're suddenly given a choice to commit such violence, your chances of doing so are definitely increased. Say your friend hands you a gun and says we're going to rob a gas station. Right then and there, with all those choices and consequences running through your head, the fact that violence doesn't bother you Could change your decision. It doesn't mean it will, and it doesn't mean playing violent video games makes you a violent person, but you can't cancel it out as a factor.

You think about it, but you don't act on it. Thats the differance. Right and wrong. You can discern that it would be wrong to act on your thoughts. The violence in media isn't going to change someones way of thinking.

[Scotty]

Seeing violence really doesn't have such an effect on people as conservatives try to get across. You don't play a violent game and than feel an urge to go people. You know that it's just a game, and you know it's morally wrong to kill. Those that are going to kill or steal will anyways, without the help of games/media. Those who wont, wont. It's always bugged me when someone does some sort of crime, and than the media points at the fact that they play WoW/Halo or w/e excessively and that it must be the cause. More than likely, the real issue is said kid is already really crazy and just has an obsession.

Pfft, I don't know about you, but hours of grand theft auto has certainly changed what I think about when we're driving down the street and I see pedestrians crossing. I would agree that when crimes are committed, violence in media shouldn't be tied directly, but you can't say it isn't tied at all. After a while of constantly seeing violence, you get used to it, it doesn't seem like such a big deal to you, and when you're suddenly given a choice to commit such violence, your chances of doing so are definitely increased. Say your friend hands you a gun and says we're going to rob a gas station. Right then and there, with all those choices and consequences running through your head, the fact that violence doesn't bother you Could change your decision. It doesn't mean it will, and it doesn't mean playing violent video games makes you a violent person, but you can't cancel it out as a factor.

You think about it, but you don't act on it. Thats the differance. Right and wrong. You can discern that it would be wrong to act on your thoughts. The violence in media isn't going to change someones way of thinking.

Somewhat like how I sit in boring and un-productive meetings though out the day, wondering to myself, if I had a M240G machine gun, how many of these wastes of orgasms would die before I ultimately got taken out...

[Seifer]

The media may give us ideas of how to EXECUTE these violent acts, but the will to actually do violent acts I don't think is effected by the media. Either you will or you won't, its your own nature and morals.

Ps, Scotty. Your Avatar makes my day. I could watch that all day.

[Aqua]

Seeing violence really doesn't have such an effect on people as conservatives try to get across. You don't play a violent game and than feel an urge to go people. You know that it's just a game, and you know it's morally wrong to kill. Those that are going to kill or steal will anyways, without the help of games/media. Those who wont, wont. It's always bugged me when someone does some sort of crime, and than the media points at the fact that they play WoW/Halo or w/e excessively and that it must be the cause. More than likely, the real issue is said kid is already really crazy and just has an obsession.

Pfft, I don't know about you, but hours of grand theft auto has certainly changed what I think about when we're driving down the street and I see pedestrians crossing. I would agree that when crimes are committed, violence in media shouldn't be tied directly, but you can't say it isn't tied at all. After a while of constantly seeing violence, you get used to it, it doesn't seem like such a big deal to you, and when you're suddenly given a choice to commit such violence, your chances of doing so are definitely increased. Say your friend hands you a gun and says we're going to rob a gas station. Right then and there, with all those choices and consequences running through your head, the fact that violence doesn't bother you Could change your decision. It doesn't mean it will, and it doesn't mean playing violent video games makes you a violent person, but you can't cancel it out as a factor.

I agree 101%.
~Aqua

[Lingus]

Reread my post.  Specifically, the last sentence.

In what situation, precisely, are you proposing that a 2 year old is going to stumble upon a porn video, or a video of a kid being mutilated? 

Point taken.

I misread your post (or that last sentence I guess) and assumed you would show the child these things... or at least not actively censor them. I think that's what I'm getting at. You have to take an active role in censoring what the child sees. I understand they may not stumble upon a porn, but certain channels do show some explicit material. And just reviewing movies or games before allowing the child to see/play it. That kind of thing.

But don't misunderstand me. I'm not going to ban porn from a teenager just because they aren't 18. I think at that age they are curious and they're going to have access to it anyways. So I'm not talking about crazy censorship on that level.

[Scotty]

Reread my post.  Specifically, the last sentence.

In what situation, precisely, are you proposing that a 2 year old is going to stumble upon a porn video, or a video of a kid being mutilated? 

Point taken.

I misread your post (or that last sentence I guess) and assumed you would show the child these things... or at least not actively censor them. I think that's what I'm getting at. You have to take an active role in censoring what the child sees. I understand they may not stumble upon a porn, but certain channels do show some explicit material. And just reviewing movies or games before allowing the child to see/play it. That kind of thing.

But don't misunderstand me. I'm not going to ban porn from a teenager just because they aren't 18. I think at that age they are curious and they're going to have access to it anyways. So I'm not talking about crazy censorship on that level.

My kid is gonna pick up chicks when he is 4, that's my goal!

[Mr Pwnage]

Does anyone besides me (and Jake, as his post was trying to convey) find the HUGE irony in the fact that we have movies, games, and even television for all to see with massive amounts of blood, violence, and gore, but if you so much as have a woman's nipple, you're demonized.  God forbid you show SEX.

Conclusion:  Violence, murder, and other things that bring suffering and misery to those involved are completely okay to show.  Sexual acts involving pleasure, love, and happiness are works OF TEH DEVIL!!!

!@#$ this country, and !@#$ the 'Puritans' who started it.

I think the real question is not about violence... But it's why are there always titties shown in movies, always always, but never a penor?

Think about that one.


Sexist bastards

That's cause nobody wants to see a dick. They aren't fun to look at it like tits and guchie guchie. The female body is just much better for advertising and loving. Think of it this way, teen girls will go "ohhh i love you emily lol!" now, take that same scenario with 2 dudes: "ohhh dude bill I love you!". See? Ones normal and ones gay, and that's just the way it is.

[Lingus]

Think of it this way, teen girls will go "ohhh i love you emily lol!" now, take that same scenario with 2 dudes: "ohhh dude bill I love you!". See? Ones normal and ones gay, and that's just the way it is.

Have you seen "I Love You Man"?

[Mr Pwnage]

Think of it this way, teen girls will go "ohhh i love you emily lol!" now, take that same scenario with 2 dudes: "ohhh dude bill I love you!". See? Ones normal and ones gay, and that's just the way it is.

Have you seen "I Love You Man"?

Nope but I'm pretty sure there is a difference between comedies from Hollywood and reality.